Tikib: "I think your big gripe is the liquid fuels issue and that's a biggy as its very difficult to move stuff without oil. All I can say is sail boats and electric trains. no neither of us them is as good as the fossil alternative but I didn't say they were."
I, personally, don't have many gripes, and the remarkable utility of petroleum products isn't one of them. It's how consumers, especially in the west, squander that utility that I've been known to gripe about. Try to name any economically important process that doesn't have petroleum embodied in it, including the financial segment. I can't. Considering the utter interconnectedness of virtually everything and every process in the global economy: extraction, transportation, manufacturing, marketing, consuming, the financial processes that enable all these things in highly leveraged economies that thrive only on credit.....
http://www.scribd.com/doc/100103277/Fin ... c-Collapse
Who, pray tell, is going to plan and administer this hyper-complex transition? Do some homework, read the above and Sunweb's stuff and get back to us. Gail Tverberg (http://ourfiniteworld.com/) has also covered this subject extensively.