SeaGypsy's Escape Channel GTFOOH info only please

[SeaGypsy]

I have a lot of ideas in this area as long timers here are aware.
I want to put a lot of them out in detail.
My specialty is global travel for the infinitely poor.

Scenario: here now TS(really this time)HTSTF.

Question:

How am I gonna get me and mine outa here now?

To my mind the roads are Rome as they were last time round.

The successfull will be ultimately moblie.

That is my opinion, don't think anyone will ever divest me of that, short of catatonic dementia (the greatest God of all {time} so please don't even try. If anyone wants to rant at me about hunkering down or investment strategy, please do me a favour and start a thread dedicated to the purpose.

So folks, forget the highway, it's owned by thugs and bandits;

Where yo gonna run?

How you gonna run?

(more from me later)

[Ludi]

In a Zombie Horde scenario, I will be heading for the Trans Pecos, roughly following water sources. So, basically due west. On foot, with backpacks.

I will almost certainly die on the way, or soon upon arrival, but, them's the breaks.

[mos6507]

In a Zombie Horde scenario, I will be heading for the Trans Pecos, roughly following water sources. So, basically due west. On foot, with backpacks.

That's a pretty detailed contingency plan from someone who has said on multiple occasions she doesn't believe in zombies.

[pstarr]

In a Zombie Horde scenario, I will be heading for the Trans Pecos, roughly following water sources. So, basically due west. On foot, with backpacks.

I will almost certainly die on the way, or soon upon arrival, but, them's the breaks.

What do you intend to do upon arrival?

The Trans-Pecos lies within the Chihuahuan Desert, the most mountainous and arid portion of the state, and it is well known for its scenic desert vistas, such as Big Bend National Park and the Guadalupe Mountains.[3]

Oy Chihuahau!

[SeaGypsy]

In a Zombie Horde scenario, I will be heading for the Trans Pecos, roughly following water sources. So, basically due west. On foot, with backpacks.

I will almost certainly die on the way, or soon upon arrival, but, them's the breaks.

philosophy: it is better to die free in a cleft in a rock than at thde mercy of those who whould strip me of every dignity then kill me. // sound; rational.

My advice:

1/ get there at least each season. get really familiar with what moves; don't be gung ho just go sit and watch for a few days and nights, walk a bit.

2/ in the country you are speaking of you need to get there fit and rested in a heavy poor of rain; moving down from your highest vestige point to your nearest flowing catchment, look for rivulets, track until you find a nice flow across a face or along a gutter,look for a natural pond. bathtub size in a heavy rain.

3/ bring with you asap:

//a pond sealer, yes I know about the plastics no need to rant. Do your best. For enthusiasts beezwax soaked heavy muslin works nice and won't poison you. A bucket of cement can go a long way to the patient mini mountian dam builder. againt don't rant at me about the law please dear reader, it's L&D on a budget.

// an un charged beehive box each trip. The natives will move in soon enough..

// seeds for the most ancient most adapted plants you can eat. I am talking weeds. Again don't assume I am ignorant of the risks of introduction in fragile ecosystems, but hell there are worse sins and we are talking life and death on a budget here ok? Just my siding.

// the best short wave radio you can get.

the rest is scout stuff. Many beyond the bottleneck will have to thank the scouthoud training they did as teenagers., very good stuff.

In a year for a couple of hundred bucks you can set up a camoflaged couple of thousand gallon mini dams.

Never ever skimp on binoculars. Solar recharge night vision if you got the bucks.

(Ppplease do not get into weapons and implements anyone here, I don't mean you Ludi

[pstarr]

SeaGypsy I like your advice on long-term desert survival. Good stuff. Hiding away under the radar. The last place others would run to for sanctuary. A place few could survive in. No services. No replacement tools. No maintenance facilities. Only a short-term survival strategy. The trick is to stay put until everyone in the suburbs are dead. Then you return to savage the empty convenience stores. Same with the ocean. Alien enough that few people would even there, much less try to live in it.

[Ludi]

[What do you intend to do upon arrival?

Die.

[pstarr]

[What do you intend to do upon arrival?

Die.

Sounds like a nice place to do it.

[SeaGypsy]

Die or no die will remain in question if the simple precautions above are taken, a few weeks later the situation could be utterly different. Most people in a panic in 1st world countries will get straight in their car.
Think about that little camp spot near the creek we used to drive to every summer. Only there are 800 other people who remember the same spot and they all think of it at once. That is a not very nice way to die.
Having a few thousand gal of water and a short wave in the desert mountains would be a nice few weeks fast and send off, if Pstarr isn't right. I suspect the transition from 1st world to salvage world will be sudden. How sudden remains to be seen.

[davep]

Die or no die will remain in question if the simple precautions above are taken, a few weeks later the situation could be utterly different. Most people in a panic in 1st world countries will get straight in their car.
Think about that little camp spot near the creek we used to drive to every summer. Only there are 800 other people who remember the same spot and they all think of it at once. That is a not very nice way to die.
Having a few thousand gal of water and a short wave in the desert mountains would be a nice few weeks fast and send off, if Pstarr isn't right. I suspect the transition from 1st world to salvage world will be sudden. How sudden remains to be seen.

The thing is that people are very resilient. I doubt that all the suburbanites will quickly die off. A large percentage may live for a long time, albeit in pretty grim conditions.

[Pretorian]

Hey Seagypsy so did you find yourself an island in Indonesia or Phily? I would guess with tropical rains and enough heat for desalinization there are plenty to choose from

[SeaGypsy]

Scenario// I have a standard suburban situation in a coastal city which has suffered disasterous undersupply of core resouces over a number of weeks. Riots are breaking out and people start, well; getting killed.
Over the following weeks as it becomes obious there is no CSI, crime goes absolutely rampant.

In my thinking floating out of there is right at the top of my list of things to do.

I may have a suitable vessel, or I may not.

As piracy is illegal I will not breach the CoC by discussing it.

Other options include:

Building material salvage & industrial waste items, such as:

PVC Piping, corked shut this stuff floats and is very adaptable.
Barrels and containers, strapped together with roofing iron and or timber.
Urban salvage raft design is an area I would like to explore more than I have found much info about on the net.

If you have a budget at all to look at building an escape vessel, I would look at 3 main designers: Brent Swain, James Wharram and Phil Bolger. You can build an ocean going sailing yaght which will keep 4 people alie across an ocean for under $10,000.

Flying out is another option.

Stealing aircraft is again a ery serious offense not up for discussion; other options include:

The ultimate 1 person (2 at a stretch) escape compact is a motorised paraglider/ parasailer.
You only need a tiny runway to be up and away in seconds with a tool whick will fit in the back of a normal car. You need to have somewhere set up to fly to and a fuel dump.

Ultralight aircraft are pretty affordable accross the spectum, many can be bought in kit form for about $10,000 which are capable of 70mph sustained flight with 2 people on board. Again you need to have somewhere to fly, only this time is has to be considerably more conspicuous.

For the more mechanicly astute, I know an Airforce Pilot here who tells me that a small jet can be reconditioned for under $100,000.

[SeaGypsy]

Hi Pretorian, yes I found a whole load of islands; solar stills are the go in the tropics, thanks for the reminder.
I am prototyping the SeaGypsy whiteman lifestyle in my region. There has been a lot of vagabondry going on in S.E. Asia for a very long time, nothing new about that; what I am interested in is the crossover of cultures that happens between my 2 chosen home bases: Far northern Australia and the north western Philippines.
My goal oer the next 2 years is to become familiar with the sea route' between the 2 countries. This means significant time in Indonesian waters, a regretable fact which means a whole lot more time and energy to investigate. At this point in time I am very familiar with what works in these waters and how to cross them alive; I am however socially almost in a black hole. This depite speaking Bahasa Indonesia in school for 4 years as a teenager. The far eastern Indonesian islands are some of the most remote in the world and they still hold one of the most ancient sea gypsy tribes, many hidden languages and secret gardens.

[SeaGypsy]

In a Zombie Horde scenario, I will be heading for the Trans Pecos, roughly following water sources. So, basically due west. On foot, with backpacks.

That's a pretty detailed contingency plan from someone who has said on multiple occasions she doesn't believe in zombies.

Hi Mos, don't worry I'm not talking extra terrestrials or politics here.

One of my favorite escape artists of all time lives in your great city, Dmitry Orlov. One of his most influential works tells the tale of a pod of humanity breaking off at 1st in stealthy permaculture planting shallow water boat parties, eventually adapting to survive and go on in a post oil full blown climate change world.
They achieve this in the shallows of the many islands off the north east coast and down to the Carribean.

[GASMON]

Sorry folks, nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.

The world is bloody small these days, even the USA. Billions of folk on the move (and rising).

Also your "newly found wilderness" is also someone else's, AND it belongs to the folks allready there (even if thin on the ground) - YOU are the invader - the enemy. Gun fight at the O.K. corrall !!!!!!!!!!

Stay put probably best idea, use your ammo thoughtfully, take out a banker or two !!

PS - Don't come to England - we're full !!

Gasmon

[Pretorian]

PS - Don't come to England - we're full !!

Gasmon

you wont wait long till your own mongrels will hear that everyday.

[SeaGypsy]

Congratulations Gas, I am very happy for you being so content; seeya! thanks for stopping bye!

[SeaGypsy]

This article may be a little frustrating to those readers who may feel as our dear dropper of little gifts for the garden above; legitimately that there is nowhere to go. I am not inviting any more discussion on the matter beyond the following manifesto; which is my philosophical rock.

1/ What is going on should come as no great surprise to anyone with access to reasonably open sources of communication over the last, let's say 40 years.

2/ If you are in the 1st category, you must take resposibility for your choices as an adult and where they have put you// geographicly, politicly, socially, psychologically and physicly. At some point in life you have faced the doom and made a decision.

3/ Among the infinite modes of man; there are only a few attractive enough to me to concern myself with,
My Zarathustra is more of a Zenathustra. Given the basic premise of life: we are the most priveleged invader monkey species ever likely to evolve on this planet and we are about to face our easter island moment.
The coremost attribute I have as a homo sapien is adaptability. Use it or lose it. Right now I earn enough to fly anywhere in the world on a weeks wages; I am not just going to sit somewhere. Thanks for the chair and the lemonade was lovely. However quaint and sentimental xenophobic nostalgia is, it aint going nowhere. Not in my book and not in my world. I get what I put out with a twist pretty much. There is no boogie man in Asia or in my closet.

I am where I am because I forsaw this all going on when I was about 7 to 8 years old, when I was fortunate enough to have a couple of bright teachers. I put the pieces together myself enough by ten years old to choose that I would stay in Australia and focus on the inevitable growth in Asia over my lifetime. I made this decision with the right and family to live in the USA or Europe. I argued with my American grandparents that the reason I wanted to stay here is that 'the US has had it's day in the sun, Australia is just starting and has enormous potential'. That was over 30 years ago. Some kids are very introspective.

Now if the subject freaks you out at all or makes you uncomforatable, it's not blood and guts; just simple stuff about mobility. If this pushes some deep seated fuedal resentment, I am sorry, there is plenty of other stufff on this site to get upset about so keep reading.

I am interested in adaptation and flexibility; just the way my DNA would have me believe is best for it's continuation. It doesn't get anymore logical than that to me. It may well be crystal clear to the reader that I am wrong and blah blah blah about stability and stress tests; but in the long run only time will tell in our progeny or lack thereof.

If you are young you have an excuse and I appologise for ranting at you. There has never been a better time to get out of the bubble of what you have been sold as 'reality' and have a deeper look.