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Re: Russian Bomber patrols

Unread postby Withnail » Thu 19 Mar 2015, 14:18:20

GASMON wrote:Beware the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://rt.com/news/242097-pak-ta-russian-army/

In the future, a fleet of heavy transport aircraft will reportedly be capable of moving a strategic unit of 400 Armata tanks, with ammunition, to anywhere in the world. And probably at hypersonic speed, enabling Russia to mount a global military response. According to a new design specification from the Military-Industrial Commission in Moscow, a transport aircraft, dubbed PAK TA, will fly at supersonic speeds (up to 2,000 km/h) and will boast an impressively high payload of up to 200 tons. It will also have a range of at least 7,000 kilometres.

The PAK TA program envisages 80 new cargo aircraft to be built by 2024. This means in a decade Russia’s Central Command will be able to place a battle-ready armoured army anywhere.



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Can't fight a real war like that.

You need huge transport ships with fuel and supplies and so on.
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Re: Russian Bomber patrols

Unread postby Quinny » Thu 19 Mar 2015, 16:23:50

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Re: Russian Bomber patrols

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 19 Mar 2015, 16:58:37

PAK TA is fine in reality... its reality will have very little resemblance to said press release.

I think it loses a little in translation as well; its obviously meant to deliver a military unit some distance fairly quickly, ie like from a base in Southern Russia to the far opposite side Russia in the Arctic. There will not be a thousand of them dropping hundreds of tanks and apc's all over the place.

Russia's military purchases do not support the notion of Russia projecting power overseas; so anything they are actually building for future use should be seen in that light. Now, if they put a Super Carrier hull in the water, I'll change my tune completely; but for the moment, the navy guys need to beg for permission just to be allowed to draw one on paper. Kremlin is exceedingly NOT INTERESTED in buying a personal dance party platform for 8-15 billion USD.

What they are taking delivery of, and making lots more of, small subs, ballistic missile subs, frigates, corvettes, tanks, jets, helicopters... you know, all the things you'd use if attacked or defending your interests along your borders. I don't think they even have a big blue water cruiser coming any time soon.

This press leaky thing on the PAK TA, is one of two things, some RF air force guy having a public erotic dream episode; or is just meant to yoink some chains in the West for fun and giggles.

PAK TA will be subsonic, it'll carry heavy loads, with modern efficient engines, and will let them deploy a unit or three anywhere in Russia or its near abroad in a few hours. That's its purpose. IF they can make us think they'll be dropping tanks in Australia with no warning...well, they'll get us to spend a whole bunch of money for tanks in Australia, ideally lots of tank battalions all over Austalia, and all they'll have had to do was drool on some reporter. (hybrid, remember, checkbooks, not bullets)
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Re: Russian Bomber patrols

Unread postby dissident » Thu 19 Mar 2015, 22:26:58

http://www.businessinsider.com/russias- ... ane-2015-3

Russia wants everyone to think it's building this absurd and massive super-plane


An inane opinion piece by a couple of butthurt retards passing off as journalism. The modern face of western "journalism".

It is about time that lifting body concepts were introduced into transport plane design.
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Re: Russian Bomber patrols

Unread postby autonomous » Thu 19 Mar 2015, 23:17:08

A global mission statement for Russian military transport aviation has never been voiced before. If true, it means that the current stated Russian military doctrine should be changed from a solely defensive position to something of a much more aggressive nature.

A source who attended the closed meeting of the Military-Industrial Commission told the media outlet on condition of anonymity that he was “shocked” by the demands of the military..

“It means for the first time we have the objective of creating an operational capability to airlift a full-fledged army to any desired place on the planet,” the source said. This means delivering a task force the size of the former NATO and the US troops in Iraq, in a matter of hours to any continent. “In the context of the current military doctrine that defies comprehension,” the source said.


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Re: Russian Bomber patrols

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Fri 20 Mar 2015, 01:50:14

GASMON wrote:This means in a decade Russia’s Central Command will be able to place a battle-ready armoured army anywhere.
Anywhere there is a runway it can land on and presumably take off from - how long would that need to be?
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Re: Russian Bomber patrols

Unread postby AgentR11 » Fri 20 Mar 2015, 02:11:15

I think we're supposed to believe they intend to drop by parachute while flying hypersonic across the globe... but can you drop a T90 or Armada by parachute and have it still be working.

Or maybe the Russians have conquered artificial gravity, and it'll just magically come to a stop over a field, and the tanks will just drive out the back end of the thing.

Nah; it needs a runway. Which is fine for what its real purpose is. Some really obnoxious Russian is laughing his butt off right now that this article made it around the world. Next thing you know, they'll tell us Excalibur arose from one of these methane craters, and they've given it to their new General Alexander who will march across Europe and conquer NATO with a single swish of his blade.
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Re: Russian Bomber patrols

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 20 Mar 2015, 07:01:14

The program involves the creation of wide-body freighters, with payloads varying from 80 to 200 tons, to replace all existing Ilyushin and Antonov cargo aircraft.

Last year, it was reported that future military air freighters will be developed by the Ilyushin Aviation Complex, with some experts saying the company may base designs on the Il-106 cargo plane (80 tons) project that won a government tender in the late 1980s, but was abandoned after the collapse of the Soviet Union.


Both plane and tank are still on the drawing board, with the requirement that the Armata come in under 50 tons.

Agent is right each plane would be able to carry 2 tanks and their support.

The journalist used imaginary multiples to make the story more exciting.

A fleet of several dozen PAK TA air freighters will be able to lift 400 Armata heavy tanks, or 900 light armored vehicles, such as Sprut-SD airborne amphibious self-propelled tank destroyers.


Several dozen being up to 200. Even at double capacity of the IL they could carry at most 3 apiece.

This is a non-story. They are just discussing replacing their Soviet era transports. Nothing more.
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Re: Russian Bomber patrols

Unread postby AgentR11 » Fri 20 Mar 2015, 10:21:30

I think they're supposed to drive an Armata or two at their parade coming up; not production run, but I think they're mostly done and ready to build. UA problem probably messed up their supply chains a bit, but I'll bet on a live, rolling picture of one by summer. It has a lot of T90 guts from my understanding.
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Re: Russian Bomber patrols

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 20 Mar 2015, 14:58:02

You know, the Soviets ( / old soviet Ukrainians) actually built the largest cargo jet in history. I think they only made two of them though, but the thing worked fine and could sure haul a lot of stuff.

What's the name of that thing, I can't remember it.

It's definitely a good and sound and smart strategy. The world just doesn't react fast enough. Ergo, mobility is such an advantage. In the context of hybrid war then it's a very big deal to be able to simply airlift an entire army into a place, and to answer the above question someone posed -- you just land it on the runway, like in Crimea.

Secure the airport. Then air cargo in an entire army, within a couple days. Voila, the place is occupied and you're already entrenched and who's gonna bother to pry you out? Nobody. Possession being 9/10 of the law these days, right?

I don't know why the USA is not working on this too. It takes us way too long to get organized and ship everyone over somewhere.

We need to be working on this too. Not just a 3,000 man "rapid action" force. Russia is going to make their ENTIRE ARMY "rapid action."

We need to as well, should be like a Chinese fire drill and that buzzer goes off and the troops that were in South Korea yesterday should be able to show up and combat ready somewhere else on the planet with 3 days -- have that capability, to move an entire army.

Russia's going to do it and they don't even have a fraction of our defense budget. All it requires is leadership and organization and enough transports.

Readyness, rapid action, extreme mobility are all the key and always have been, in the history of military strategy. We have a rapid action and mobility gap with the Russians and it ought to be fixed. Plus, we could have taken out ISIS already and handle other problems like that if we had more mobility. (the special forces are very mobile, but we got too many tens of thousands of soldiers entrenched at desk jobs in Germany and Japan and they aren't mobile at all).
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Re: Russian Bomber patrols

Unread postby dissident » Fri 20 Mar 2015, 16:33:39

Cid_Yama wrote:
Both plane and tank are still on the drawing board, with the requirement that the Armata come in under 50 tons.



The Armata tank is in production and will be taking part in the May 9, 2015 parade. The plane is just a concept with no actual design work done.

Agent is right each plane would be able to carry 2 tanks and their support.


The article makes many simple math errors.

But it looks like there will be money for a new transport aircraft design. The western media is full of inadequates who have a compulsion to project their sick fantasies.
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