Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

For discussions of events and conditions not necessarily related to Peak Oil.

Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 02 Nov 2015, 15:42:49

Image

Located outside Washington, D.C., WCRW radio made no mention of China’s provocative island project. Instead, an analyst explained that tensions in the region were due to unnamed “external forces” trying “to insert themselves into this part of the world using false claims.”

Behind WCRW’s coverage is a fact that’s never broadcast: The Chinese government controls much of what airs on the station, which can be heard on Capitol Hill and at the White House.


WCRW is just one of a growing number of stations across the world through which Beijing is broadcasting China-friendly news and programming.

A Reuters investigation spanning four continents has identified at least 33 radio stations in 14 countries that are part of a global radio web structured in a way that obscures its majority shareholder: state-run China Radio International, or CRI.

To report this story, 39 Reuters reporters pulled corporate and regulatory filings in 26 countries to identify a web of radio stations connected to three Chinese expatriates and their behind-the-scenes backer, China’s state-run China Radio International.

The reporters monitored broadcasts in many of these countries, programming distributed primarily in English and Chinese, but also in local languages, including Thai, Italian and Turkish.

Chinese corporate records were obtained in Beijing. In the United States, reporters reviewed scores of regulatory, zoning, property, tax, immigration and corporate records, including radio station purchase contracts and lease agreements.

Many of these stations primarily broadcast content created or supplied by CRI or by media companies it controls in the United States, Australia and Europe. Three Chinese expatriate businessmen, who are CRI’s local partners, run the companies and in some cases own a stake in the stations. The network reaches from Finland to Nepal to Australia, and from Philadelphia to San Francisco.

At WCRW, Beijing holds a direct financial interest in the Washington station’s broadcasts. Corporate records in the United States and China show a Beijing-based subsidiary of the Chinese state-owned radio broadcaster owns 60 percent of an American company that leases almost all of the station’s airtime.

China has a number of state-run media properties, such as the Xinhua news agency, that are well-known around the world. But American officials charged with monitoring foreign media ownership and propaganda said they were unaware of the Chinese-controlled radio operation inside the United States until contacted by Reuters. A half-dozen former senior U.S. officials said federal authorities should investigate whether the arrangement violates laws governing foreign media and agents in the United States.

A U.S. law enforced by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) prohibits foreign governments or their representatives from holding a radio license for a U.S. broadcast station. Under the Communications Act, foreign individuals, governments and corporations are permitted to hold up to 20 percent ownership directly in a station and up to 25 percent in the U.S. parent corporation of a station.

CRI itself doesn’t hold ownership stakes in U.S. stations, but it does have a majority share via a subsidiary in the company that leases WCRW in Washington and a Philadelphia station with a similarly high-powered signal.

Said former FCC Chairman Reed Hundt: “If there were allegations made about de facto Chinese government ownership of radio stations, then I’m sure the FCC would investigate.”


U.S. law also requires anyone inside the United States seeking to influence American policy or public opinion on behalf of a foreign government or group to register with the Department of Justice. Public records show that CRI’s U.S. Chinese-American business partner and his companies haven’t registered as foreign agents under the law, called the Foreign Agents Registration Act, or FARA.
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/china-radio/


My opinion on this: I'd be curious to know if the Chinese-owned stations in the US are broadcasting in mandarin for Chinese immigrant populations, or if it's in English?

Generally: I'm for free speech, even if it's foreign like with RT and such BUT -- *it should be admitted on the station if it is foreign-owned, so that people know that*.

From the above article, it appears that the Chinese businessmen slant the news coverage to pro-china, and they have not registered with the justice dept as the law requires, and it also looks like there was attempt to structure parent companies / station leases to fly under the radar, and the one radio station never mentions the fact of its Chinese ownership.

But other than that, it's radio, who listens to that anyway?

Going forward though, this is a concern, as China may be looking to buy more media companies in the West, they will also then want to slant the news to be pro Beijing.
User avatar
Sixstrings
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 15160
Joined: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby GHung » Mon 02 Nov 2015, 16:27:51

Not much different than Fox News and its affiliates; essentially spun off from foreign-owned News Corp and spewing propaganda.

The land of the free, and all that.

WCRW has a stream site on tunein that doesn't seem to work:
http://tunein.com/radio/WCRW-1190-s26998/

Anyway, I'm sure we have our best men on it. Best. Men....

...and I listen to radio with my coffee every morning.
Blessed are the Meek, for they shall inherit nothing but their Souls. - Anonymous Ghung Person
User avatar
GHung
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3093
Joined: Tue 08 Sep 2009, 16:06:11
Location: Moksha, Nearvana

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 02 Nov 2015, 16:41:47

How is this different that RFE/RL ? How is it a concern that people can choose to hear more than one viewpoint.

I love being able to read London FT / Russian TASS / Chinese Xinhua.
Yes we are, as we are,
And so shall we remain,
Until the end.
AgentR11
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 6372
Joined: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 09:15:51
Location: East Texas

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 02 Nov 2015, 17:07:20

GHung wrote:Not much different than Fox News and its affiliates; essentially spun off from foreign-owned News Corp and spewing propaganda.

The land of the free, and all that.


You're actually right about that, it was an Australian -- Rupert Murdoch -- who had enormous impact first by buying British media and then slanting things so hard right conservative in the UK, and then he did the same thing here in the US with FoxNews.

FoxNews, Australian owned, actually had enormous impact on the USA. There probably would not have been an Iraq war.

Before Australian-owned Fox, our news coverage was actually more objective and middle of the road.

So it is a valid concern, when there's a media company over in a foreign country that's adept at moving opinion the way they want it to be and then they come over here to the US and set up shop. Whether we're talking about Australia, or China, or Russia.

One has to be a bit careful, just listening to foreigners, hook line and sinker. *They come from a different place*. Different culture, different life experience, different situation. You can look further back in history at how popular Ayn Rand was. She was really too far hard right winger for the US -- but her perspective, was having lived in the USSR under communism. So then here she came to the US and talking about Eisenhower as if he's a communist, she was too far right wing. That was a response to how things were in Soviet Russia, well Soviet Russia was not the US. Ayn Rand had a lot of impact, back then, and still a bit in recent decades.

And now, we also have univision and telemundo -- one could argue those are Mexican, and latin american perspectives on things.

On the other hand -- American media and culture is so dominant in the world, we really can't complain. :lol:

I think I have to agree with Reuters on the topic of this thread though, if there are laws saying they're supposed to register with Justice as "foreign agents" then that's what they should do. And, they should have to obey the laws about how much percentage a foreign person can own a media company.

Someone listening to that radio station, if the news is edited to be pro China, I just thing the listeners should be aware upfront that it's Chinese state owned.
User avatar
Sixstrings
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 15160
Joined: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 02 Nov 2015, 17:51:17

Rupert Murdoch is not an Australian Citizen & Australia doesn't own him, or his news network. He is yours now 6.
SeaGypsy
Master Prognosticator
Master Prognosticator
 
Posts: 9284
Joined: Wed 04 Feb 2009, 04:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 02 Nov 2015, 19:25:20

The idea that the Chinese are running some sort of secret subversive propaganda network is silly on the face of it. China has some of the brightest humans on the planet running their country, they have no need for hamfisted propaganda like the Voice of America that we used to broadcast into the USSR from the 1950's to the 1990's.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
User avatar
Tanada
Site Admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 17055
Joined: Thu 28 Apr 2005, 03:00:00
Location: South West shore Lake Erie, OH, USA

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 05:42:15

SeaGypsy wrote:Rupert Murdoch is not an Australian Citizen & Australia doesn't own him, or his news network. He is yours now 6.


Murdoch's biggest shareholders are the Saudis, his biggest foreign venture is an Arabic network.

Is the Washington Times still owned by the Korean Moonies?
User avatar
PrestonSturges
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 6052
Joined: Wed 15 Oct 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 10:21:34

PrestonSturges wrote:
SeaGypsy wrote:Rupert Murdoch is not an Australian Citizen & Australia doesn't own him, or his news network. He is yours now 6.


Murdoch's biggest shareholders are the Saudis, his biggest foreign venture is an Arabic network.

Is the Washington Times still owned by the Korean Moonies?


What do you think on the issue generally, should media in the US be native born American owned or are these "fear of foreign influence / propaganda" laws antiquated?

The thing about it is -- I think it's happened in Australia, about China. I suspect China really has influenced Australian views to the point where there seems to be an anti-American bent in Austrlaian media and then it's also pro-China.

Of all the Pacific allied democracies, such as Japan and South Korea, my impression is that Australia is the one that's most neutral / drifted to China. Whereas Japan is solidly allied with the US. I just suspect China has gotten a lot of influence, in Australia.

It's possible, it's something that could happen here too. If China came to own a lot of American media and then they just edit out news about the dalai lama or Tibet or south china sea / just slant everything pro Beijing, then eventually China would be in charge of us and everyone in the US would just grow up with naturally pro-China views because that's what they see on the media.
User avatar
Sixstrings
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 15160
Joined: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 10:41:25

Reuters update, Justice department and FCC have opened up investigations on it:

FCC, Justice Department investigate covert Chinese radio network

The Federal Communications Commission and the Justice Department are investigating a California firm whose U.S. radio broadcasts are backed by a subsidiary of the Chinese government, officials said.

Both investigations come in response to a Reuters report published on Monday that revealed the existence of the covert radio network, which broadcasts in more than a dozen American cities, including Washington, Philadelphia, Boston, Houston and San Francisco. (reut.rs/1Wrflt4)

"Based on reports, the FCC will initiate an inquiry into the facts surrounding the foreign ownership issues raised in the stories, including whether the Commission’s statutory foreign ownership rules have been violated," FCC spokesman Neil Grace said.

The California firm is owned by James Su, a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Shanghai. Reuters reported Monday that Su’s company, G&E Studio Inc, is 60 percent owned by a subsidiary of Chinese state-run radio broadcaster China Radio International (CRI).

The FCC doesn't restrict content on U.S. radio stations, except for rules covering indecency, political advertising and children’s programming.

But under U.S. law, the FCC prohibits foreign governments or their representatives from holding a radio license for a U.S. broadcast station. Foreign individuals, governments and corporations are permitted to hold up to 20 percent ownership directly in a station and up to 25 percent in the U.S. parent corporation of a station.

G&E does not own any U.S. stations, but it leases two 50,000-watt stations: WCRW in Washington for more than $720,000 a year, and WNWR in Philadelphia for more than $600,000 a year.

Through a different set of limited liability companies, Su owns, co-owns or leases virtually all the air time on at least a dozen other U.S. stations. Those stations carry G&E content, which is produced largely by his West Covina, California studios or by state-run CRI in Beijing.

The news programming on these CRI-backed stations sticks closely to the Chinese government line on a host of issues, including the current military standoff in the South China Sea between China and the United States.

Su’s spokeswoman declined to comment Monday. In a Sept. 16 interview with Reuters, Su said his radio network abides by U.S. law because he leases air time from stations, rather than owning them outright.

U.S. law also requires anyone inside the United States seeking to influence American policy or public opinion on behalf of a foreign government or group to register with the Justice Department. Public records show that neither Su nor his companies are registered as foreign agents under the law, called the Foreign Agents Registration Act, or FARA.

A U.S. law enforcement official said the Justice Department probe began last month, after Reuters approached the FBI and prosecutors with questions about Su's California-based operation. Last month, after receiving inquiries from Reuters, Su’s companies deleted two web pages that showcased the relationship between his firms and CRI.

"We are aware of the media reports and can neither confirm nor deny an ongoing review or investigation into the matter," said Marc Raimondi, a Justice Department spokesman. "We are committed to continuing to use the full range of tools and authorities under the Foreign Agents Registration Act to ensure proper foreign registration and filings."

In the September interview, Su said that he and his companies comply with all U.S. laws, including FARA.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/02/us-china-radio-fcc-idUSKCN0SR2AI20151102


The owner of the station leases is a "naturalized American citizen" but per Reuters, his news coverage strictly adheres to the Chinese government line, just as if these American stations were in China.

According to the article, some of the American radio network's content is produced in communist state owned CRI studios, in Beijing.
User avatar
Sixstrings
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 15160
Joined: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 11:03:04

Tanada wrote:The idea that the Chinese are running some sort of secret subversive propaganda network is silly on the face of it. China has some of the brightest humans on the planet running their country, they have no need for hamfisted propaganda like the Voice of America that we used to broadcast into the USSR from the 1950's to the 1990's.


Nobody says that communists aren't "bright" and intelligent people. But a communist party owned corporation sure can come up with some different kind of ideas, like that social credit report thing, I saw that in a thread on this form (the AI thread).

I would suspect it's not really intentional propaganda, it could just be a communist party owned radio network that's opened up shop in the US and is just doing business here the same as they would in China -- i.e., all news about tibet or south china sea or dissent in China would have to be edited.

But thing is, this is America, not China.

OTOH -- maybe it is nefarious, because why are the leases and ownership structured in such a way as it looks like they were trying to fly under the radar with it?

And why not be open about it, if Chinese state owned CRI is the majority parent company and producing content in Beijing?

At least RT -- Russia Today -- is open about everything, on the up and up, they don't hide it.

But neither could RT ever get a radio or broadcast tv license in the US. They could maybe own up to 20% of one and that's legal, but this Chinese government company owns 60% and that may be illegal under the laws that we have on the books.
User avatar
Sixstrings
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 15160
Joined: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 11:40:55

I'm always derailing off onto space stuff, but just to say something good about China, they're building the world's largest radio telescope and it'll be completed in 2016:

Image

China Making World’s Largest Radio Telescope, Could Expand Search For Extraterrestrial Life
http://www.ibtimes.com/china-making-worlds-largest-radio-telescope-could-expand-search-extraterrestrial-life-2136807


China has a nationalist sentiment and they're really big on space development and take a lot of national pride from that, and assuming they never EMP us or have space weapons on us, then this is a GOOD thing for humanity.

This new telescope is so big, they may well be the first to find ET intelligent life.

The telescope can also be used as a ground station for future, massive space missions.

Anyhow -- Chinese people certainly aren't bad people, China as a nation is doing some big things that America isn't doing anymore, so I give them credit. SOMEONE has to do these things, if not us then okay at least it's China.

But the communist party is still the communist party and they have to follow our laws when they do business here.

Just as an American company would never be allowed to buy a majority share of a Chinese radio station -- fair is fair, and the law over here is the law, our laws say foreign entities can't own more than 20% of a broadcast station.
User avatar
Sixstrings
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 15160
Joined: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 16:12:38

Sixstrings wrote:The owner of the station leases is a "naturalized American citizen" but per Reuters, his news coverage strictly adheres to the Chinese government line, just as if these American stations were in China.


What part of "American citizen" do have trouble reading there?

Are American citizens not allowed to have a pro-PRC editorial line?
Are stations owned by American citizens not allowed to purchase foreign produced programming?

I'm fairly pro-PRC, though I think they're overly sensitive in their rhetorical language, much to quick to be offended by something; but issue wise, I largely agree with the positions Beijing has taken in recent years. Sane, rational, self-preservative, but not overly aggressive. I like how they've handled Hong Kong's reintegration; and I like how they're approaching eventual reunification with Taiwan. Their disputes with Japan and India, and the South China Sea islands have been handled with a minimum of violence, and a whole lot of infrastructure building and economic cooperation. I like it when people build bridges, and airports, and railways instead of blowing each other up... kinda funny that way I suppose.

If I were running a set of radio stations in Mandarin, I'd probably run with mostly PRC produced and licensed content, though my sarcasm would require a bit of mild poking at hyper-sensitive people, try to get them to blow up on tape, particular middle bureaucrats; so we'd have a few "mock the official twerp" shows mixed in there.
Yes we are, as we are,
And so shall we remain,
Until the end.
AgentR11
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 6372
Joined: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 09:15:51
Location: East Texas

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 17:40:11

6, Australian attitudes tend towards an earthy pragmatism, which extends to general views of both China & the US, who between them are seen as the concerning powers. One of these goes around staging coops & blowing up countries, has done so with only short reprieves for many decades. The other has not been nice to some of their aboriginals, such as those in Tibet, but has certainly not been running anything like the US external subversion programs. As Agent suggests, by & large the Chinese have been showing a pragmatic, practical, mature attitude on the world stage, building alliances & business ties, allowing citizens to travel, using as much carrot as stick when dealing with most of their neighbours. The US continues to act as evil empire & with the military it has nobody wants to argue too much. That's the reality.
SeaGypsy
Master Prognosticator
Master Prognosticator
 
Posts: 9284
Joined: Wed 04 Feb 2009, 04:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 19:58:14

AgentR11 wrote:What part of "American citizen" do have trouble reading there?


Yes, American citizens must follow the FCC and justice department laws and regulations.

Are American citizens not allowed to have a pro-PRC editorial line?


American citizens are free to have views that are in line with foreign governments, but foreign governments are not allowed to own radio and tv stations.

Chinese radio broadcaster taps front men in Finland and Australia

Zhao, whose media company is based in Finland, spearheads an operation that broadcasts China-friendly programming in Europe on behalf of China Radio International (CRI). But CRI is more than a client of Zhao: A CRI subsidiary owns a 60 percent stake in GBTimes, according to corporate filings.

Asked why China is operating abroad through private companies, Zhao said the initial reason was a lack of talent, funding and knowledge of the overseas media market.

"As China grows and gets stronger," he said he believed it would expand its media reach "overseas on its own."

Zhao, who spoke with Reuters in an interview last month in Beijing, said there was no difference between his operation and the U.S.-government-funded Voice of America (VOA).

When a reporter said that VOA is transparent about its government links, Zhao replied: "We've never hidden ourselves. There's nothing to hide."
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/chinese-radio-broadcaster-taps-front-men-in-finland-and-australia/articleshow/49637735.cms


The above article goes on to talk about China-friendly programming in Australia, and New Zealand, as well as Finland and Italy and Hungary and all over Europe.

As for "it's the same as voice of america," that's not really relevant. FCC regulations say that foreign governments cannot be involved in radio and broadcast tv in the united states, that's our law.
Last edited by Sixstrings on Tue 03 Nov 2015, 20:05:17, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Sixstrings
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 15160
Joined: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 20:01:08

Sixstrings wrote:
PrestonSturges wrote:
SeaGypsy wrote:Rupert Murdoch is not an Australian Citizen & Australia doesn't own him, or his news network. He is yours now 6.


Murdoch's biggest shareholders are the Saudis, his biggest foreign venture is an Arabic network.

Is the Washington Times still owned by the Korean Moonies?


What do you think on the issue generally, should media in the US be native born American owned or are these "fear of foreign influence / propaganda" laws antiquated?


I think conservatives should be aware of who controls their most trusted sources of information. I used to ask my fundie neighbor if he knew that the Washington Times (his favorite paper) was controlled by a man who had declared himself the second coming of Christ. No answer of course, but you could practically hear the mental circuit breakers in his head kick out with a "thunk."

And who is Sheldon Adelson backing this year? His revenue from Asian casinos probably represent millions of dollars from China coming in the GOP.
User avatar
PrestonSturges
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 6052
Joined: Wed 15 Oct 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 20:24:15

PrestonSturges wrote:I think conservatives should be aware of who controls their most trusted sources of information. I used to ask my fundie neighbor if he knew that the Washington Times (his favorite paper) was controlled by a man who had declared himself the second coming of Christ. No answer of course, but you could practically hear the mental circuit breakers in his head kick out with a "thunk."

And who is Sheldon Adelson backing this year? His revenue from Asian casinos probably represent millions of dollars from China coming in the GOP.


I'm trying to think back over the years.. I'm not an expert on this issue.. but I do seem to recall it's come up from time to time, about foreign ownership of media in the US.

From what I recall, I think exceptions have been made at times. It's up to the justice dept, the FCC, ultimately the president.

I doubt the Obama administration and FCC and justice department will make an exception for the Chinese government -- given all the espionage China has been doing against our country for many years now, plus all the recent cyberattacks, plus south china sea tensions.

About south china sea -- the bottom line issue is that China may claim a patch of ocean as new sovereign territory / control zone, and then tell America and its allies that it either can't sail there anymore or that it needs to report to China if it does or needs Chinese permission.

So. These are international waters.

The only possible debate to have on this, from an American and pacific allies perspective, is just -- where do you draw the line?

If you let China claim the south china sea, does it stop there? Or would they claim more, after? And would other nations follow the example and start claiming their own exclusive zones in international waters?

These issues are debatable. Heck, maybe we should LET china do it and then we can just do it too -- America could claim the carribean as an exclusive zone, despite the other nations down there (that's what China is doing, same thing).

We could build artificial islands, and claim sovereignty further out from our current maritime borders out into the atlantic and pacific.

It may even be a good idea for us -- like, for cruise missile protection, just extend our borders out a bit more.

If it's good for China, could it be good for America too? What's good for geese is good for gander?
User avatar
Sixstrings
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 15160
Joined: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 20:44:37

Foreign Agents Registration Act

The act requires people and organizations that are under foreign control ("agents of a foreign principal") to register with the Department of Justice when acting in any capacity, even if only indirectly controlled, on behalf of a foreign principal.

It also requires periodic disclosure of all activities and finances. The Act covers political activities, public relations counsel, publicity agents, information-service employees, political consultants, fundraisers or those who represent the foreign power before any agency or official of the United States government.

It does not include news or press services not owned by the foreign principal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Agents_Registration_Act


Note that last line -- in this case, the company IS owned by the foreign principal. 60% owned by chinese state government radio.

So that's the FARA law, the other law involved is the FCC regulation that says foreign companies can't own more than 20% of broadcast stations, and if I understand correctly, foreign *governments* can't own any percentage.
Last edited by Sixstrings on Tue 03 Nov 2015, 20:56:27, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Sixstrings
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 15160
Joined: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 20:51:09

Six, you're getting confused between station ownership, and content creation ownership. FCC regs are about station owners. Station owners may buy content from 100% foreign sources, or 100% domestic sources, or anywhere in between. And in this case, the station owner, is an American citizen.

Sixstrings wrote:American citizens are free to have views that are in line with foreign governments, but foreign governments are not allowed to own radio and tv stations.


The owner of the station leases doesn't seem very vague to me. He's an American citizen. He can be as pro PRC as he wants, and he can favor PRC produced content as much as he wants; which if you are doing a Mandarin Chinese channel network, is pretty much your sole source of content with any production values to speak of.

The way I'm reading this, is that Bob here owns the station leases and is an American citizen; and he gets most of his content from a company that is 60% owned by the PRC. The regs are about the station owner; the person with final editorial control. And he is, in fact, an American citizen, just like you, just like me; and other than a few very specific categories of content, he can use those radio stations to say any darn thing he wants to; including singing lala PRC is awesome 23hrs a day.


Asked why China is operating abroad through private companies, Zhao said the initial reason was a lack of talent, funding and knowledge of the overseas media market.


That's pretty much how they always do stuff outside China, and is appropriate for a market oriented world with market oriented trade agreements. If a Chinese private company does screw up; their liability cap is modest, their principals can face charges or run away back to China. Its a smart way to go about things when you aren't the most experienced, smooth operator on the street.

As for "it's the same as voice of america," that's not really relevant. FCC regulations say that foreign governments cannot be involved in radio and broadcast tv in the united states, that's our law.


NO. Its says ownership. Station owners are free to buy content from any source they want, report content from any source they want, governmental or otherwise. The station owner has to be a US citizen; and in this instance, most certainly is.

btw... didn't we just get through ragging on Russia about requiring those dependent on foreign funding in Russia to register as foreign agents, as well as complaining about their new rules requiring media ownership in Russia to be Russian?
Yes we are, as we are,
And so shall we remain,
Until the end.
AgentR11
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 6372
Joined: Tue 22 Mar 2011, 09:15:51
Location: East Texas

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 21:23:39

AgentR11 wrote:Six, you're getting confused between station ownership, and content creation ownership. FCC regs are about station owners. Station owners may buy content from 100% foreign sources, or 100% domestic sources, or anywhere in between. And in this case, the station owner, is an American citizen.


Did you read the Reuters investigation? It said the guy's company is 60% owned by chinese state radio. And then, it sounds like they *lease* the radio station.

It'll be up to the FCC and Justice dept to determine if this thing is over the line or not, or something shady about it.

The owner of the station leases doesn't seem very vague to me. He's an American citizen. He can be as pro PRC as he wants, and he can favor PRC produced content as much as he wants;


But his company is 60% owned by chinese state radio.

The way I'm reading this, is that Bob here owns the station leases and is an American citizen; and he gets most of his content from a company that is 60% owned by the PRC.


Well am I wrong? I thought it said HIS company was 60% owned by CRI.

If he's just purchasing CRI content then maybe that's different. I'm pretty sure it said he's 60% owned by CRI though, they even renamed the station WCRW -- China Radio Washington.

The local county officials don't like it:

Loudoun County officials were surprised when the amped-up station returned as WCRW and began broadcasting G&E and CRI content about China.

“It was all very deceptive,” said Kelly Burk, a county supervisor at the time. “They presented it as all about being about local radio, and never let on what they were really up to.”


The regs are about the station owner; the person with final editorial control. And he is, in fact, an American citizen, just like you, just like me; and other than a few very specific categories of content, he can use those radio stations to say any darn thing he wants to; including singing lala PRC is awesome 23hrs a day.


Agent, I thought the article said his California firm is 60% owned by CRI

btw... didn't we just get through ragging on Russia about requiring those dependent on foreign funding in Russia to register as foreign agents, as well as complaining about their new rules requiring media ownership in Russia to be Russian?


Well.. the West does, in fact, try to change Russia. We just happen to think democracy and our values are the best.

So what happens if countries like Russia and China become powerful, and then want to do the reverse? And convince us that their way of life is better? Not democracy, but communist party managed capitalism? Or in Russia's case, authoritarian directed democracy?

I realize that's a stretch ( :lol: ) but it could happen one day, if China gets big and powerful enough in the world and the new superpower.

We could wind up having that communist "social credit score" thing, too.

We could wind up with censored internet and news, too, and lose all our freedoms and things here would be like they are in China.

Really Agent, it's already happening -- China is exerting ITS standards, out into the world. For example, companies like facebook and google and whatever and CNN and such, they have to have entirely different setup and standards for in China. So what if one day they just want to simplify that, and just have the Chinese standards over here as well?
User avatar
Sixstrings
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 15160
Joined: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Reuters: Beijing’s covert radio network in USA

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 03 Nov 2015, 21:29:48

Agent -- the reuters report says that CRI owns 60% of the california firm that leases the radio station time:

Corporate records in the United States and China show a Beijing-based subsidiary of the Chinese state-owned radio broadcaster owns 60 percent of an American company that leases almost all of the station’s airtime.


Justice and FCC will have to do a full investigation of this. Look into that company, take a close look at everything they do, are they really owned in China and do they fly over there and such and is it really a Chinese state owned / controlled thing or is it someone that just buys content but doesn't take orders from China..

They are either a "foreign agent," or not. Justice dept and FCC will get to the bottom of it.

EDIT: here's the video reuters report, you can hear the station in the background and it sounds like it's a regular American station, it's not in mandarin

Communist China Flooding America With Propaganda Through Radio Network
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYIXJBrPtTo


If they were TOTALLY UPFRONT about this the way al jazeera and RT is then okay, but actually RT or AJ couldn't ever lease all of a broadcast radio / tv station time either. It's against the law Agent, it's just against the law. If you guys want the law changed, write your congressman, but that's how it is now -- foreign companies and foreign governments can't run broadcast radio and tv stations over here.

AND HONESTLY -- *broadcast* tower radio and tv SHOULD BE LOCAL, no?

RT, al jazeera, China TV, maybe that stuff is fine for a cable channel, but broadcast towers should be locals not stuff coming in from Beijing and decided in Beijing what the news is. Am I wrong about this? Do you all want your local radio stations doing the regular American news reports from AP and such or do you want Xinhua, seriously?

Why should some American getting off work after a hard day and maybe only has three minutes for news, and has the radio on driving home, have to get his world news from Beijing and never even know it's from Beijing?

Some rural places maybe only have one or a couple radio stations, at all.

If we let China lease them all, then we've just got China Radio on all our stations.

edit: just to add something objective.. it just occurred to me that CRI would be COMPETITION for Reuters. As a wire service.

If stations do the news updates from beijing, then it wouldn't be reuters and AP anymore right? :lol:

BUT I'LL TELL YA SOMETHING -- I am what I am and I'm an American, and when I turn on my am radio I'm sorry I don't want it coming from Beijing and they don't even say that. I want the old fashioned REUTERS that I trust, or AP, or I'd be perfectly fine with THE BBC FROM ENGLAND or the canadian broadcasting company, cuz I trust those sources to tell both sides, but I wouldn't want news updates from Beijing.

Or give me NPR. They're lefty but at lest they give both sides and everyone knows who they are, it's nothing secret.

Seriously wake up folks, you want AP and reuters replaced with China Radio, on your am radio? Who the heck would want this thing on their local radio stations in YOUR county where YOU live on YOUR local stations?
Last edited by Sixstrings on Tue 03 Nov 2015, 22:16:48, edited 4 times in total.
User avatar
Sixstrings
Fusion
Fusion
 
Posts: 15160
Joined: Tue 08 Jul 2008, 03:00:00

Next

Return to Geopolitics & Global Economics

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 26 guests