Sailing the Farm - come join our sailing/boatbuilding coop.

[zeyang]

hi,
interested in selfsufficiency, travelling to china and learning new skills?Come join our boatbuilding coop! Want more information, please drop me a line at:
zeyang(at)laowai.no


zeyang

[zeyang]

2 more pictures.

zeyang

[zeyang]

Boatshed in the night.

Merry christmas to all of you and wish you happy new year!

zeyang

[Newfie]

Z, Merry Christmas to you as well.

That is an interesting looking project you have going there. I enjoyed your posts on the other thread. But I have a question. Are you welding the entire seam or just tack welding? Something you said previously made me wonder.

Also, I have never heard of this lapstrake-alloy process. You have any more on it?

[zeyang]

Z, Merry Christmas to you as well.

That is an interesting looking project you have going there. I enjoyed your posts on the other thread. But I have a question. Are you welding the entire seam or just tack welding? Something you said previously made me wonder.

Also, I have never heard of this lapstrake-alloy process. You have any more on it?

I have never heard about this either and never seen it. Its a little strange. With just handtools you can a very fair sailboat wich looks esthetically very nice (at least in my eyes) No need for english wheel, or pyramid rollers.
I will weld the entire seam. (working on this now). but thanks to extremely cold weather last 2 weeks Im behind the schedule. between -25 and -30C every day now. Even gave up preheating the metal. All that heat i put into it with a propane burner is just getting sucked out of the metal again after a few seconds.

Anyway had 3 nice people here helping for the last days. Worked a little outside but mostly inside with rig-design, and even got time in evening to sit in front of the stove and dream about warm weather and a nice pacific island

Want to help building and sailing? Please drop me a line!

zeyang

[Newfie]

Z,

Went down to Florida last week to close on our new boat. 43' aluminum schooner with B&R rigged masts and two Hoyt job booms.

However, when we got into the bilges with the surveyor (for pre-purchase examination) we found that the welds were both insufficient in length/quantity and that many were poorly done. After consulting with a couple of marine designers with aluminum experience we decided to cancel the purchase.

So we are now back looking for a boat.

While there we examined a 37' aluminum Trisalu. It was a lovely boat, wonderful design, shoal draft, and a pilothouse, which is quite unusual. The wife fell in love with it. However the boat had some serious corrosion problems and almost nothing in the boat worked.

Then we looked at a brand new 50' aluminum boat where the welding and material craftsmanship was just fantastic. Truly a work of art. Unfortunately the designer must have been on LSD when doing the lofting for it was a terrible design.

All-in-all a very disappointing week.

We will now quickly research a 45' aluminum boat in Martinuque, if that does not work then there is a local steel boat that we have seen and will work for us. Hopefully we can finish this purchase within 6 weeks. I just want it over and done with. We have been working on this for over two years. Very difficult for the wife and I to come to agreement on what we want.

[strobinell]

"While there we examined a 37' aluminum Trisalu. It was a lovely boat, wonderful design, shoal draft, and a pilothouse, which is quite unusual. The wife fell in love with it. However the boat had some serious corrosion problems and almost nothing in the boat worked."

"http://les.trismus.free.fr/dazeoff.html"

Sorry for my poor English it's French fate!

I was interested in this sailboat.
can you give me more information

another is for sale at Montreal in Canada
"http://les.trismus.free.fr/loiret.html"
Have you visited this one?

[rangerone314]

Boatshed in the night.

Merry christmas to all of you and wish you happy new year!

zeyang

Wow, you guys are cool!

When I have more resources (assuming things don't collapse by then), I'd love to learn how to build my own boat for my place, something like a trimaran.

[Newfie]

"While there we examined a 37' aluminum Trisalu. It was a lovely boat, wonderful design, shoal draft, and a pilothouse, which is quite unusual. The wife fell in love with it. However the boat had some serious corrosion problems and almost nothing in the boat worked."

"http://les.trismus.free.fr/dazeoff.html"

Sorry for my poor English it's French fate!

I was interested in this sailboat.
can you give me more information

another is for sale at Montreal in Canada
"http://les.trismus.free.fr/loiret.html"
Have you visited this one?

Regarding the boat in Florida it had a hole on the port side into the fresh water tank. And there was a similar patch on the starboard side. Evidence of diesel leak into the bilge. Patches on hull at end of keel. Skeg was bent and rudder not aligned properly.

I did see the boat in Montreal and a trisbaltique in Martinique. However, I found a French forum thread that discussed the trisalu and some said that several trisalu had corrosion problems.

EDIT - WE DID NOT PHYSICALLY LOOK AT THE BOAT IN MONTREAL OR MARTINIQUE, WE SAW IT ON THE INTERNET. THE OWNER OF THE TRISBALTIQUE SENT ME SOME PHOTOS BUT IT APPEARS TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INTERIOR REFIT. TOO MUCH WORK FOR US.

We ended up buying a steel boat instead.

I thought the boat in Florida was very nice in shape but it needed a great deal of work.

[zeyang]

been busy welding up those seams and start flipping process. the welding took 83 hours (around 30 kg of 1.2 mm mig wire) and the brushing probably twice much time. thankfully got some help during this step else i will still be working on this.
next step is weld inside and swap those woodframes into alloy frames. after that the deck will be welded in place.

zeyang

[Newfie]

Zeyang,

Would you mind if I cross post some of your photos over to a boat building forum? I think there might be some interest in that community.

[zeyang]

Zeyang,

Would you mind if I cross post some of your photos over to a boat building forum? I think there might be some interest in that community.

no problem. especially happy if you crosspost to some non english forums. (like france etc)

zeyang

[Newfie]

Sorry Z, no non-english forums. I have trouble enough with English.

A couple of things.

1. We just signed acceptance papers on a 44' steel cutter. Alan Pape design. 1984. She has 4 side plates/side. The way the plates were joined was neat. They appear to have but welded along the longitudinal seams and then welded a (approx 3/4") steel pipe/conduit on the interior of the hull. The pipe works as stringer or longitudinals and she has no others. This makes a strong boat and one without framing to catch water and rust.

This is to be our "bug out boat." It will need some work but not too much. She is pretty simple by modern standards but still more complex than my 33-footer. We will take delivery in about two weeks then I will need to get busy with a sandblaster and deal with some interior rust, not too much but it needs attention.


2. I'm interested in your boat and how you will rig her in the end? Traditional rig of some sort I presume?

[zeyang]

nice boat you have there. Im not so famililar with steel so i cant give any good advice except i know that steel do rust in marine environment.
My plan is to rig as traditional chinese junkrig, which for me is totally unfamiliar but looks very neat. if i dont like i switch back to gaff-rig (dont need to change position of mainmast)

heres some more pics of flipping

zeyang.

[Newfie]

Z,

What is your day job? I can never comprehend how someone can put so much effort into something. I congradulate you as you seem to be doing something your feel worthwhile.

You may find something of a kindred spirit at the following link, although I suspect your time lines are differnt. At least it is good for killing a couple of hours. In the gallery double click on the pics to see more details.

http://www.sv-restless.com/

BTW What alloy for the hull? 5086 I presume?

[zeyang]

Z,

What is your day job? I can never comprehend how someone can put so much effort into something. I congradulate you as you seem to be doing something your feel worthwhile.

You may find something of a kindred spirit at the following link, although I suspect your time lines are differnt. At least it is good for killing a couple of hours. In the gallery double click on the pics to see more details.

http://www.sv-restless.com/

BTW What alloy for the hull? 5086 I presume?

yes. almost. 5083 its called here. wire is 5183.
Im just a farmer these days, but thats a silly excuse since i spend all day in the boatshed (except the weekends where i just close the door and try not to think about the project, else i will get kind of insane hehe. Im somewhere between 1500 and 2000 hours (effective hours) into the project now.

yes. ive heard about that restless guy project. its scary to read.. i cant never understand people can work for such a long time without just walk away from the project.

[SeaGypsy]

All that work with framing and plating? I dunno, I think all that has been superceded by Origami methods; just my opinion. Anyone know of any alloy Origami yachts yet?
I do understand your idea Zeyang, it looks like the shape will be very nice and give a sturdy, flexible use hull.
Hey Newfie, congrats on your purchase! How does she sail? Had her out in anything heavy yet? Looks capable of anything deepwater, including Cape Horn/ Antartica...
Is the rigging beefed up to match the hull's capability?

[Newfie]

Naw, still on the hard. Won't see water for a couple of months. The rigging looks to be new dynaform, a slightly more compact from of 1x19, and substantial. From what I can figure out the first owner sold the boat in 2007, the engine immediately blew up on the second owner, second owner then proceeded to dump a whole bunch of dough into the boat: besides engine, sails and windlass, and electronics. But, according to the yard, she has been on the hard since the fall of 2008.

So far I am very happy with the purchase but obviously we havea lot to do and learn. It is quite a bit bigger than our other boat and will be a handful to single hand.

We are obviously doomers so one of the characteristics of our boat was that it had to be capable of leaving at any time in any weather in order to get out of the city. Big enough to carry at lest 5 people. Wind, ice, what ever. I think this boat will do that. Let's hope that remains theoretical.

[Mesuge]

In order to finish proper "PO ready" bluewater boat, you will always need staggering amount of man hours (money or your time), that's why shipyards evolved. And by proper boat I mean either Wharram >46' cat on which you can easily clock 10.000hrs (4-10yrs part time) or alternatively some derivative assym. canoe hull cat like Klaar's 70', but this is hard core bare bone vessel (crab claw rig) done in less than one year in rather rudimentary african yard (no creature comforts or coffee table book finish). Also, you DON'T want to rely on extensive crew/technology/.. on board, so proven self steering rigging like junk or crab claw is the way to go where you have chance to survive as solo even with major boat damage, own health issues, ..

For the more protected waters and shorter distances, sharpies by Bolger and his school of followers are the best time/money/economy ratio ever possible, apart from recreational crafts he designed more utility oriented boats as well.

[Newfie]

Mesuge,

I think we could argue this endlessly. But each to his own. Are you a boater? Have you read Sea Steading?