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cbxer55 wrote:At one time, a local police station in California in the Antelope Valley, went to usng horses for their town patrols. What a mess that was. It was not unusual to see a cop's horse drop a load in front of some local establishment, on the sidewalk right outside their door, and just putter on and leave it fester there.
cbxer55 wrote:Inside cities of course, horses are a major mess, you have that quote from some London Times columnist in the late 1800s that London was going to be knee deep in poop in 20 years. Then of course came the Automobile.
I would agree with that. At one time, a local police station in California in the Antelope Valley, went to usng horses for their town patrols. What a mess that was. It was not unusual to see a cop's horse drop a load in front of some local establishment, on the sidewalk right outside their door, and just putter on and leave it fester there. Local business's went crazy over this, and of course it did not last.
But it opens up a new job possibility, does'nt it? A crew of people to go around cleaning up horse poo!
Your whole post is interesting and food for thought. Myself I think bicycles and walking will figure a lot in the near term. Of course this will help improve the fitness of the citizens, eliminate a lot of the obesity that our society currently has due to easy transportation. I have a good bicycle, although I do not use it for transportation at this time, only for exercise. But if need be it is there, hopefully I can find a new job closer to home where that will become possible.
mos6507 wrote:If we're going to have food shortages due to peak oil and population overshoot, then I think the use of livestock will result in "food vs. fuel" debates like we're seeing with biofuels today. Arabale land will have to increasingly be reserved for human consumption. Meat consumption will become more limited. We may even see people stop keeping pets.
So while I can see some initial experiments with using horses and livestock pulling ploughs, it's just not going to work in a world with 9+ billion people vs. how it was in the 1800s. That's why we've had wonderful threads about eating weeds and bugs. An amish utopia it won't be. Post die-off, dream of whatever utopia you want.
galacticsurfer wrote:Financial sense Wrap upRob Kirby thinks it is bad news to save energy.
mos6507 wrote:galacticsurfer wrote:Financial sense Wrap upRob Kirby thinks it is bad news to save energy.
I'm sure sacrifice is required. The question is whether people would be willing to see it as a net gain in the long-haul. On the radio I was overhearing some campaign ads where they talk about investing in green energy "to create jobs". There always has to be this bait-and-switch game played out where the politicians feel they have to sell green as a job creator rather than as an environmental doom preventer. I don't think the green tech will create the scale of jobs they hype it as, but I don't think it HAS to pass that test considering the long-term threats we face. The American public demands a quick ROI for federal spending just as much as shareholders for a corporation. It's all part of the same mentality.
Ludi wrote:It certainly wouldn't make sense to drive down here to cut and haul firewood back up there. I hope you guys don't have the damn wilt up there. It finally hit our place this past year.
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