THE Iraqi Oil Thread pt 2 (merged)

[GASMON]

No doubt the USA will allow China a large amount of Iraq's oil for "Debt repayment purposes"

Gasmon

[dinopello]

No doubt the USA will allow China a large amount of Iraq's oil for "Debt repayment purposes"

Gasmon

That's brilliant ! A perfect circle. The Chinese make little plastic things from the oil and we drive to the Boxmart to buy them with money we borrowed.

[Ferretlover]

Oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens told Congress on Wednesday that U.S. energy companies are "entitled" to some of Iraq's crude because of the large number of American troops that lost their lives fighting in the country and the U.S. taxpayer money spent in Iraq.

Must be fun to be a tycoon. link

[jbrovont]

This is disgusting. The middle class foots the bill to fund the war machine, their sons and daughters provide grease getting shot up half a world away for, let's face it, miserable pay considering the danger, and that makes Pickens "entitled" to oil profits? If anyone is "entitled" to it, it's people that got loaded into the breach and shot off to glory by BushCo.

Sure welfare and medicaid are evil "entitlements" but we should all pony up for a 10 year war so Pickens can line his pockets. If he wants it that bad, let him go stand around guarding an oil well in Iraq. Maybe then he'd have a more worldly view of "entitlement."

[Dr. Ofellati]

If anyone is "entitled" to it, it's people that got loaded into the breach and shot off to glory by BushCo.

and maintained there by the ObamaCo? Right?

[jbrovont]

I really grow tired of the democrat/republican "thing." Rather I have come to view the political system from a new paradigm. Basically, you have your pimps, and your whores, and every few years we have a chamber of commerce mixer...

If anyone is "entitled" to it, it's people that got loaded into the breach and shot off to glory by BushCo.

and maintained there by the ObamaCo? Right?

[Tyler_JC]

Of course we're entitled to the oil contracts. It's funny that this is even a debate.

We defeated them in battle, we conquered their lands, and they have something we want. If this were any other time in history, we would take it and no one would bat an eyelash.

It is only this very recent concept of international liberal democracy that makes humanity think that justice is anything but the advantage of the stronger.

Is it "morally right" according to modern Judeo-Christian values? Of course not. But morals don't have anything to do with it.

If we need it, they have it, and we are strong enough to take it...we will.

[jbrovont]

Point. I wasn't saying we should just split - merely that Pickens and his ilk just need a 42 gal drum of shut the f*ck up. The natives aside, if any US entity is "entitled" to oil profits, it's the people that sacrificed for it, whether willingly or otherwise. Not some ultra-rich tycoon that risked nothing.

There isn't much morality left in this world. Maybe there never was.

Of course we're entitled to the oil contracts. It's funny that this is even a debate.

We defeated them in battle, we conquered their lands, and they have something we want. If this were any other time in history, we would take it and no one would bat an eyelash.

It is only this very recent concept of international liberal democracy that makes humanity think that justice is anything but the advantage of the stronger.

Is it "morally right" according to modern Judeo-Christian values? Of course not. But morals don't have anything to do with it.

If we need it, they have it, and we are strong enough to take it...we will.

[mos6507]

Pickens is responsible for the Swift Boat tactics that sank Kerry's campaign. It's understandable that his politics would surface again. So peak oil makes for strange bedfellows.

[Dr. Ofellati]

I really grow tired of the democrat/republican "thing." Rather I have come to view the political system from a new paradigm. Basically, you have your pimps, and your whores, and every few years we have a chamber of commerce mixer...

If anyone is "entitled" to it, it's people that got loaded into the breach and shot off to glory by BushCo.

and maintained there by the ObamaCo? Right?

Excellent way to put it, JB. I am of like mind. I was simply attempting to confirm that the previous post wasn't a misconception of the mixer.

[seldom_seen]

Of course we're entitled to the oil contracts. It's funny that this is even a debate.

We defeated them in battle, we conquered their lands, and they have something we want. If this were any other time in history, we would take it and no one would bat an eyelash.

It is only this very recent concept of international liberal democracy that makes humanity think that justice is anything but the advantage of the stronger.

Is it "morally right" according to modern Judeo-Christian values? Of course not. But morals don't have anything to do with it.

If we need it, they have it, and we are strong enough to take it...we will.

So True...

"Might doesn't make right, but it surely makes what is." -Ed Abbey

[jbrovont]

Yeah - I know I can come off as an arrogant ass at times - it's not that I think I'm better or smarter or anything - it's just my twisted sense of poignant humor. I know it can be abbrasive but it's nothing personal. I'm just so deeply angered by some topics that I tend to shoot from the hip.

I really grow tired of the democrat/republican "thing." Rather I have come to view the political system from a new paradigm. Basically, you have your pimps, and your whores, and every few years we have a chamber of commerce mixer...

If anyone is "entitled" to it, it's people that got loaded into the breach and shot off to glory by BushCo.

and maintained there by the ObamaCo? Right?

Excellent way to put it, JB. I am of like mind. I was simply attempting to confirm that the previous post wasn't a misconception of the mixer.

[Homesteader]

Of course we're entitled to the oil contracts. It's funny that this is even a debate.

We defeated them in battle, we conquered their lands, and they have something we want. If this were any other time in history, we would take it and no one would bat an eyelash.

It is only this very recent concept of international liberal democracy that makes humanity think that justice is anything but the advantage of the stronger.

Is it "morally right" according to modern Judeo-Christian values? Of course not. But morals don't have anything to do with it.

If we need it, they have it, and we are strong enough to take it...we will.

This brings up an interesting ethic/morality discussion. As a point of debate I would put forth that those of us in the west have been brain washed to believe that our culture is the one right way to live. From that we believe that there is something wrong with people who don't want to live like us. We also think that with some education the grindingly poor of the world would be able to pull themselves up to an approximation of our standard of living, and all will be right with the world. That by some magic there are enough resources to provide these hundreds of millions (billions?) with a live of conumption and ease. We feel guilty that we have it better than them. We think that taking what is needed by force is wrong. Yet this is essentially a natural law. We think we are above natural law, and when those with the power follow the law, even if it benefits us, we are opposed to it.

Our culture is really a contradiction of terms.

[careinke]

This brings up an interesting ethic/morality discussion. As a point of debate I would put forth that those of us in the west have been brain washed to believe that our culture is the one right way to live. From that we believe that there is something wrong with people who don't want to live like us.

Thats amazing. I know for a fact that the vast majority of Saudi's I have met, feel exactly the same way about Western culture.

[Homesteader]

This brings up an interesting ethic/morality discussion. As a point of debate I would put forth that those of us in the west have been brain washed to believe that our culture is the one right way to live. From that we believe that there is something wrong with people who don't want to live like us.

Thats amazing. I know for a fact that the vast majority of Saudi's I have met, feel exactly the same way about Western culture.

Not so amazing really. I live in Kuwait btw. I would also posit that the two are more alike than different. The media simply hypes the slight differences to maintain an environment of fear. Makes the masses easier to manipulate.

Similarities:

1. Salvationist religions (one is the outgrowth of the other, same prophets etc. . .)
2. Same economic model/paper currency etc. ..
3. In order to buy food you either go to work or starve (unless you are a member of the elite)
4. Same education system
5. Same transportation system
6. Same consumer driven society

The differences don't amount to much more than the differences between New England WASPS and deep south rednecks. Maybe not even as much.

[rockdoc123]

We defeated them in battle

point of clarification.....it was a "coalition of the willing" which included the UK, BP's home country.
second point of clarification.....Us companies were able to bid for the contracts just like everyone else. Apparently they didn't like the deal.

[efarmer]

It seems like the deals are going to the entities that will buy the goods
without the strings attached of wanting to define and meddle in the buyer's culture. Imagine that.

Commerce always changes a culture over time, in a natural and peaceful
manner. I am not shocked that when you send in the troops to make the
way for business, you tend to have to keep them there in order to do any.
Perhaps our oil companies realize this and it makes the logistics of a
reliable deal go naughty in their corporate minds.

Thank God the Chinese are not like this, otherwise we would have to
speak Mandarin at Wal Mart.

Mr. Pickens, the idea of oil companies buying the government so the
military will work them is not working like it used to anymore.
Better ideas will come when you stop going long on the bad ones.


You all wanted a global market and now you have it. You really didn't
think the old 50's strategy would scale up that big, did you?

[crude_intentions]

Of course we're entitled to the oil contracts. It's funny that this is even a debate.

We defeated them in battle, we conquered their lands, and they have something we want. If this were any other time in history, we would take it and no one would bat an eyelash.

It is only this very recent concept of international liberal democracy that makes humanity think that justice is anything but the advantage of the stronger.

Is it "morally right" according to modern Judeo-Christian values? Of course not. But morals don't have anything to do with it.

If we need it, they have it, and we are strong enough to take it...we will.

I began reading the Satanic Bible last week. Half-way through I had the odd realization that "I've heard all this before". Then it dawned on me this is the philosophy of the modern day Conservative Republican party.

Hail Satan! Cheney/Palin 2012

[Tyler_JC]

I'm not advocating Imperialism.

I'm just saying that killing and taking is part of human nature. It's just what we do.

Morality tempers our desires but it doesn't abolish them.

[TheAntiDoomer]

BP, CNPC to Triple Output from Super-Giant Rumaila Field

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp ... a_id=82039

The consortium led by BP (38 percent) with partners CNPC (37 percent) and the Iraq government's representative State Oil Marketing Organization (SOMO - 25 percent), has agreed to nearly triple the Rumaila field's output to almost 3 million barrels of oil a day (b/d), which would make it the world's second largest producing oil field.