THE EEStor Thread (merged)

[Carlhole]

I don't expect people to treat me like an expert. That's why I always provide links and sources. Why should anyone take your word for it either?

You are usually providing links to corporate releases or to popular articles which are usually (for sake of simplicity) not representing properly, what particular scientists would like to say.
Reputable scientific journals are rarely available online for free.
Many interesting developments are often left not published for quite a long time.

You've just got a bee up your butt for Carlhole, sweetie. That's why you follow me around on this board.

What's your point again? That providing links and sources is less useful than simply pulling a lot of bullshit out of your own anonymous ass?

[EnergyUnlimited]

...That's why you follow me around on this board.

It is nice to comment on plenty of silliness, which you are providing us with...

What's your point again? That providing links and sources is less useful than simply pulling a lot of bullshit out of your own anonymous ass?

You are not providing us with anything of particular use, if your intention is to discuss science.
Corporate releases are of rather restricted value in this respect.
Popular articles available online are usually a far cry from what a given scientist would like to present on particular subject.

All what you are doing is parroting what guy A or B have said (often without any understanding of actual content of the message).
Whenever it is later questioned you are crying that opponent of your fantasy is not an expert, so how he dares not to believe in particular silliness etc.

That is typical troll tactics.

If you want an expert opinion, go talk to experts (and find yourself that their opinions are often contradictory), but don't litter this forum with your usual garbage.

[Ferretlover]

It is nice to comment on plenty of silliness, which you are providing us with...

What's your point again? That providing links and sources is less useful than simply pulling a lot of Expletive deleted.out of your own anonymous Expletive deleted.?

You are not providing us with anything of particular use, if your intention is to discuss science. Corporate releases are of rather restricted value in this respect. Popular articles available online are usually a far cry from what a given scientist would like to present on particular subject.

All what you are doing is, parroting what guy A or B have said (often without any understanding of actual content of the message) and whenever it is questioned you are crying that opponent of your fantasy is not an expert, so how he dares not to believe in particular silliness etc. That is typical troll tactics. If you want an expert opinion, go talk to experts (and find yourself that their opinions are often contradictory), but don't litter this forum with your usual garbage.

Again... no links. You don't provide any examples... nothing. You just pull Obscenities deleted. and flip it at people. I nearly always provide links and sources for most things that I post.

Now, a few posts ago, I say that I wish there were a more expository article on ultra-capacitance which interviews reputable physicists with differing views -- AND you STILL take issue with that!! In place of such an article, you would have people take YOUR word for it, the word of some anonymous nobody on a public bulletin board!

And these peoples will not supply you with a maximum possible value of permeability achievable in Earthly environment, except of perhaps very basic restrictions which are likely to be many orders of magnitude higher than something achievable in practice.

Nothing you say ever makes much sense at all. You don't appear very bright or articulate. Yet you want people to take you seriously?
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[EnergyUnlimited]

Again... no links. You don't provide any examples... nothing. Obscenity deleted.and flip it at people.

Are you expecting me to to provide you with some scientific work, showing that you are a troll?

Now, a few posts ago, I say that I wish there were a more expository article on ultra-capacitance which interviews reputable physicists with differing views -- AND you STILL take issue with that!!

Again, if you want some opinions from reputable physicists, go to your local university to begin with your quest, but don't litter this forum with your usual nonsense.

Nothing you say ever makes much sense at all.

Especially, if addressee is far less intelligent than a figure from your avatar.

[Carlhole]

Off-topic,excessive reposting, adult content post deleted.

[drew]

So far, Wikipediais about the best you're going to get on the subject.

There's lots of info out there. Wiki is a good place to start. If you can't weed through the science to even a limited degree, personally I wouldn't be investing.
My 2 cents....
Drew

[TheAntiDoomer]

Since this thread is gone from open discussion, let's start a new one, some interesting latest news:

After Tour of EEStor Facilities, US Congressman John Carter R (TX) says EEStor will "change the entire automotive industry"

http://bariumtitanate.blogspot.com/2009 ... es-us.html

"It is exciting that we have a Central Texas company this close to
revolutionizing transportation as we know it in America. The electric
storage technology that I saw at EEStor can dramatically change the
entire automotive industry and our overall economy when placed in mass
product. I'm looking forward to great things in the very near future
from this company." - U.S. Rep. John Carter (R-TX31)

Jacobs securities-inc-visits-eestor

http://bariumtitanate.blogspot.com/2009 ... estor.html

In the report, they predict a milestone announcement in September 2009. I asked about the source of this info and Malik points to ZMC but adds that he can't reveal any NDA information concerning certification and testing of components and EESU's. Malik admits that he isn't certain what would be announced if anything but believes that it would be a component or EESU certification. The topic of safety and certification was discussed with EEStor but Malik says that is covered by NDA. In Malik's words, "They've put quite a bit of thought into the safety aspect of it. There are technology and designs in place to address that. That's about as far as I can take that question."

[BigTex]

EEStor will be an interesting story, one way or another.

I'm anxious to see what, if anything, comes from their work.

So far, it's just been noise (though very entertaining noise).

[liammcglynn]

Save us? Hmmm. If we want to continue our profligate use of energy, a storage device cannot save us. In the near term, nothing can save us since we cannot rapidly replenish the BTUs lost from diminishing oil production.
However, EEStor's promise, if delivered, can help to bridge the gap by transferring energy capacity into the transportation sector, the very sector that will suffer when the oil crisis begins. Of course, the production of 100,000 small EVs is not likely to impact commercial transportation but the development of a rapid charge and rapid discharge storage device has applications beyond personal transportation.

EEStor will not save us. It is a great idea that will take time and resources to develop. Because these ideas will not kick into high gear until oil prices are above $100 (or more) per barrel, they cannot scale quickly enough to offset the oil shortfall.

When the crisis hits, every one of us will want a little ZENN vehicle. So, it could save YOU while the economy crumbles around your spinning wheels.

[mos6507]

EEStor will not save us. It is a great idea that will take time and resources to develop. Because these ideas will not kick into high gear until oil prices are above $100 (or more) per barrel, they cannot scale quickly enough to offset the oil shortfall.

I like to find a few token things to look forward to before TSHTF. This is one of them. An EESTOR off-grid battery bank would be the holy grail for a doomstead. I don't care if it prevents collapse or not as long as I get my hands on one of them, considering that they have virtually unlimited cycle life.

[rangerone314]

EEStor will not save us. It is a great idea that will take time and resources to develop. Because these ideas will not kick into high gear until oil prices are above $100 (or more) per barrel, they cannot scale quickly enough to offset the oil shortfall.

I like to find a few token things to look forward to before TSHTF. This is one of them. An EESTOR off-grid battery bank would be the holy grail for a doomstead. I don't care if it prevents collapse or not as long as I get my hands on one of them, considering that they have virtually unlimited cycle life.

If everyone's preps work even after a societal collapse, I wonder how long it will take for those preps to breakdown.

Will the greatgrandkids know solar power & electricity or will they be living in mudhuts?

Ironically, people with preps are probably just buying themselves time, sort of like what the rich have done.

[TheAntiDoomer]

Will the greatgrandkids know solar power & electricity or will they be living in mudhuts?

Ironically, people with preps are probably just buying themselves time, sort of like what the rich have done.

Man I need some of whatever you guys are smoking. Seriously mudhuts? LMAO

Back to EESTOR news this is interesting:

http://www.theeestory.com/articles/179

UL in Receipt of Cert Request from EEStor

"We have received a request to certify EEStor's product," said Priya L. Tabaddor, PhD, Global Energy Services, Underwriters Laboratories, Inc.

[rangerone314]

Man I need some of whatever you guys are smoking. Seriously mudhuts? LMAO

[mos6507]

If everyone's preps work even after a societal collapse, I wonder how long it will take for those preps to breakdown.

Stuff will breakdown, but we have billions of tons of stuff in circulation or in landfills. Even if all industrial activity ceased tomorrow, people would still be finding ways to power cobbled together appliances for the next 100+ years. It will just have to pass through the cost/benefit analysis. People will do the necessary scavenging and tinkering to keep things running that significantly enhance their lives. They may not bother trying to keep electric backscratchers working.

[TheAntiDoomer]

If everyone's preps work even after a societal collapse, I wonder how long it will take for those preps to breakdown.

Stuff will breakdown, but we have billions of tons of stuff in circulation or in landfills. Even if all industrial activity ceased tomorrow, people would still be finding ways to power cobbled together appliances for the next 100+ years. It will just have to pass through the cost/benefit analysis. People will do the necessary scavenging and tinkering to keep things running that significantly enhance their lives. They may not bother trying to keep electric backscratchers working.

or their is the alternative view that a step invention like EESTOR will take society to the next level in technological advancement.

[mos6507]

or their is the alternative view that a step invention like EESTOR will take society to the next level in technological advancement.

Easier said than done.

I think any green tech revolution is likely to only kick the can down the road a little bit until our ecological problems with 10+ billion people become insurmountable.

If we can actually coax the population down, then maybe we can find some safe plateau somewhere comfortably above stone age technology, but again, easier said than done.

[liammcglynn]

EEStor will not save us. It is a great idea that will take time and resources to develop. Because these ideas will not kick into high gear until oil prices are above $100 (or more) per barrel, they cannot scale quickly enough to offset the oil shortfall.

I like to find a few token things to look forward to before TSHTF. This is one of them. An EESTOR off-grid battery bank would be the holy grail for a doomstead. I don't care if it prevents collapse or not as long as I get my hands on one of them, considering that they have virtually unlimited cycle life.

If everyone's preps work even after a societal collapse, I wonder how long it will take for those preps to breakdown.

Will the greatgrandkids know solar power & electricity or will they be living in mudhuts?

Ironically, people with preps are probably just buying themselves time, sort of like what the rich have done.

When oil production falls off the edge, transportation and agriculture will be hardest hit. The wealthy will seed products to prolong their lifestyle while the rest of the world literally starves. Without ready access to refined petroleum products, corporate agriculture will collapse. As the world struggles to adapt, the death toll will be unprecedented. I feel lazy right now so I won't look up some of the articles I have read that compare pre and post industrial agriculture in terms of population support. The differential is horrifying.

Anyway, survival requires clear priorities. Batteries are not at the top of the list though they would be a wonderful convenience. That said, I plan on an EV and commodities to make it through the initial onslaught.

Experts wisely advise a community approach to survival. I may have to climb out of my cave and find some friends - friends with batteries and a farm.

[BigTex]

If everyone's preps work even after a societal collapse, I wonder how long it will take for those preps to breakdown.

Stuff will breakdown, but we have billions of tons of stuff in circulation or in landfills. Even if all industrial activity ceased tomorrow, people would still be finding ways to power cobbled together appliances for the next 100+ years. It will just have to pass through the cost/benefit analysis. People will do the necessary scavenging and tinkering to keep things running that significantly enhance their lives. They may not bother trying to keep electric backscratchers working.

And when problems do arise, we will have a place to settle them.

[pstarr]

these nanothyrister superfrgulistic capacitors are going to change the way we think about our paradigm. and stuff.

[Revi]

Good one Pstarr.

Wasn't Zenn supposed to come out with an Eestore car by now?

What's the holdup?

http://www.zenncars.com/