THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin Thread pt 2 (merged)

[deMolay]

Maybe he is referring to these pending Gubmint layoffs. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lausd15-2009apr15,0,4362057.story

[Plantagenet]

That particular issue aside, can anyone think of a major government program that was successfully dismantled, reduced, or eliminated?

Banking Regulation.

Reverse Engineer

Nope.

In fact much of the banking crisis stemmed from the most recent set of NEW regulations, i.e. the "mark-to-market" rule installed in an attempt to reform things after the 2000-2001 ENRON-era financial crisis. Once real estate prices started down the "mark-to-market" rule required the banks to value their derivative contracts at market value.....there was no market for these contracts, so they were valued at tiny market values, causing the banks to be technically "bankrupt" even though they still had billions in their vaults, thereby causing the banking liquidity crisis.

[americandream]

Obama's only cleaning up the mess jesus boy and rednecks left in the first place. How else is he to handle this shitpile? Anything really meaningful and your average spoilt white American would go ballistic!

What you guys need is a good dose of realism...is any politician black or white going to deliver....not on your nelly. Jesus runs America..........from Wall Street.

Is he 'black'?

He's probably closer to Europe than Africa

But lets be blunt here. This fellow has freshly taken up residence as caretaker in a house with its roof on fire and the owner occupants in severe, most likely paranoid denial. WTF is he supposed to do?

Thats what I'ld love to know!

He can quit lying about 90% of Mexico's assault weapons coming arcoss the US borders.

Fully Automatic weapons are illegal in this Country.

I caught him on this deceitful statement.

Assault weapons from Mexico are the least of your worries. How many decades of red neck lying have you tolerated over wars and false promises to run an open and transparent economy and how much is that costing you today in bailing out these conmen?

You voted in these con artists. Don't put the blame on this clearly powerless black fellow.

[Plantagenet]

The mark-to-market regulation has just been suspended NOW, months too late, in an attempt help the banks escape from this stupid "reform" set up after the Enron crisis.

mark-to-market rule suspended

[VMarcHart]

Omama in a desperate attempt to confront a historic and unprecidented deficit has named a fiscal officer to cut wasteful government programs.

Cut wasteful programs does sound like cutting jobs, but not necessarily; it could be cutting billion in R&D for the next class of boomer nuclear subs, or for that matter, the ICBMs they carry. It could be closing any of the 700+ military installations abroad, and using those good Americans to patrol our borders. Etc, etc.

In good economic times this would have been considered long overdue, and this would be great news!

Our economy is a big Ponzi scheme; it's entirely predicated on consumption and growth. The "good times" were a chapter in Fantasy Island, that now many --myself included-- are beginning to understand.

Hard to see that this crisis is ending or that a recovery is well under way.

Indeed.

[VMarcHart]

Obama has exploded government spending to never before seen levels.

And he also inherited a record deficit, debt and upside-down trading balance.

[Plantagenet]

Obama has exploded government spending to never before seen levels.

And he also inherited a record deficit

Not any more.

Obama's own deficit is the new record deficit....by several times over.

[VMarcHart]

Obama's own deficit is the new record deficit....by several times over.

I wonder who started the trend.

[Plantagenet]

Obama's deficits (in red) for this year and projected into the future are much much worse any deficits previously seen.

Even worse....Obama's projected deficits assume unemployment rates no worse then 8.0% (its already worse) and GDP growth rates of 4% beginning in 2010 (US GDP never grows that fast). These two phony assumptions mean actual Obama deficits will be much worse then even the horrible deficits he is already projecting.

[americandream]

Obama has exploded government spending to never before seen levels.

And he also inherited a record deficit

Not any more.

Obama's own deficit is the new record deficit....by several times over.

Is it really an Obama deficit or a redneck deficit compounded by the gravity of its coming to light just as he takes office?

On the other hand, lets have more red neck remedies. Hey, which flea bitten third world nation or pirates can we pick on. Better still, lets "deregulate" the economy even more and legalise ponzi schemes.

Obama is certainly not the answer to letting cretins run economies but I sure as hell think it's a bit rich that those who caused this mess in the first place are still hard at it trying to pick our pockets clean with more lies.

[eastbay]

Maybe he is referring to these pending Gubmint layoffs. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lausd15-2009apr15,0,4362057.story

Yes, exactly! Teachers and a wide assortment of local and state workers around these parts are getting laid off. State and local public workers, such as teachers and what-not will likely decrease in number, but the number of federal government workers will likely increase.

This thread is about federal government employees getting laid off... and we see no sign of that at all.

[ReverseEngineer]

Maybe he is referring to these pending Gubmint layoffs. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lausd15-2009apr15,0,4362057.story

Yes, exactly! Teachers and a wide assortment of local and state workers around these parts are getting laid off. State and local public workers, such as teachers and what-not will likely decrease in number, but the number of federal government workers will likely increase.

This thread is about federal government employees getting laid off... and we see no sign of that at all.

Well, since at least one person in a two parent household is currently unemployed, we really don't need Public Education anymore. The only reason you have Public Schools at all is as a Warehouse for kids so their parents can work. So you can certainly expect teaching positions in the public schools to be cut. The unemployed parents can Homeschool of course.

Police and Firefighters are a more difficult problem. Cut these positions too much while at the same time crime is bound to increase and you'll quickly end up with social anarchy. With that comes decreasing Tax revenue to the federal goobermint, but so long as they can keep printing money and people take it this isn't a problem, effectively the FG just makes Police and Firefighters part of the Federal Goobermint.

Clearly, the private sector has failed spectacularly here, so obviously if anyone is going to be employed at all its going to have to come from Goobermint. Still waiting for the New WPA from Obama. Currently he is just following the Banksters advice to shovel funny money at them on the theory that will create new jobs in the private sector. That's working...NOT. Exploding Job Losses

In one form or another here now, EVERYONE is already a Goobermint worker. In some form or another, your industry is getting subsidized by Obamout Toilet Paper. In my case, because Alaska is funded in large part by the US Military and they are being paid with Toilet Paper, that Toilet Paper filters down to me in the local economy. If you truly stopped the Fed from Printing and the US Treasury from issuing more Irredeemable debt, about INSTANTLY the military would collapse and so would in fact every last department of the US Goobermint, because the US Goobermint is Bankrupt. There aren't enough tax receipts to even pay for daily operations. This of course is WHY the Fedral Deficit is ballooning at a geometric pace here, has nothing to do with Obama at all really, despite what Planty spins in his propaganda. Same thing would have happenned under anybody else, McCain or even Ron Paul, though it would have been interesting to see the results of simply letting the whole structure collapse instantaneously if Ron Paul had followed thru with those ideas.

Anyhow, yes as long as the US Goobermint exists and is in control of a currency system that works, they are going to be the Employer of last resort here. At least at the moment they have an infinitely deep pocket to keep writing paychecks to all their workers. The only Big Companies surviving here are those which in some way are getting Obamout Toilet Paper. Small companies are still surviving by servicing the Big Company Employees (the US Goobermint Military for instance) and sieving off some Toilet Paper this way.

The economy is becoming Socialist by default here, LITERAL default in the monetary sense. Its more a Fascist solution at the moment than a Communist one, but either way its Socialism of a form. Its going to be interesting how long they can keep it running on Toilet Paper.

Reverse Engineer

[americandream]

Maybe he is referring to these pending Gubmint layoffs. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lausd15-2009apr15,0,4362057.story

Yes, exactly! Teachers and a wide assortment of local and state workers around these parts are getting laid off. State and local public workers, such as teachers and what-not will likely decrease in number, but the number of federal government workers will likely increase.

This thread is about federal government employees getting laid off... and we see no sign of that at all.

Well, since at least one person in a two parent household is currently unemployed, we really don't need Public Education anymore. The only reason you have Public Schools at all is as a Warehouse for kids so their parents can work. So you can certainly expect teaching positions in the public schools to be cut. The unemployed parents can Homeschool of course.

Police and Firefighters are a more difficult problem. Cut these positions too much while at the same time crime is bound to increase and you'll quickly end up with social anarchy. With that comes decreasing Tax revenue to the federal goobermint, but so long as they can keep printing money and people take it this isn't a problem, effectively the FG just makes Police and Firefighters part of the Federal Goobermint.

Clearly, the private sector has failed spectacularly here, so obviously if anyone is going to be employed at all its going to have to come from Goobermint. Still waiting for the New WPA from Obama. Currently he is just following the Banksters advice to shovel funny money at them on the theory that will create new jobs in the private sector. That's working...NOT. Exploding Job Losses

In one form or another here now, EVERYONE is already a Goobermint worker. In some form or another, your industry is getting subsidized by Obamout Toilet Paper. In my case, because Alaska is funded in large part by the US Military and they are being paid with Toilet Paper, that Toilet Paper filters down to me in the local economy. If you truly stopped the Fed from Printing and the US Treasury from issuing more Irredeemable debt, about INSTANTLY the military would collapse and so would in fact every last department of the US Goobermint, because the US Goobermint is Bankrupt. There aren't enough tax receipts to even pay for daily operations. This of course is WHY the Fedral Deficit is ballooning at a geometric pace here, has nothing to do with Obama at all really, despite what Planty spins in his propaganda. Same thing would have happenned under anybody else, McCain or even Ron Paul, though it would have been interesting to see the results of simply letting the whole structure collapse instantaneously if Ron Paul had followed thru with those ideas.

Anyhow, yes as long as the US Goobermint exists and is in control of a currency system that works, they are going to be the Employer of last resort here. At least at the moment they have an infinitely deep pocket to keep writing paychecks to all their workers. The only Big Companies surviving here are those which in some way are getting Obamout Toilet Paper. Small companies are still surviving by servicing the Big Company Employees (the US Goobermint Military for instance) and sieving off some Toilet Paper this way.

The economy is becoming Socialist by default here, LITERAL default in the monetary sense. Its more a Fascist solution at the moment than a Communist one, but either way its Socialism of a form. Its going to be interesting how long they can keep it running on Toilet Paper.

Reverse Engineer

This fiasco isn't even remotely close to labour socialism in intent or effect.

[coyote]

Well, since at least one person in a two parent household is currently unemployed, we really don't need Public Education anymore. The only reason you have Public Schools at all is as a Warehouse for kids so their parents can work. So you can certainly expect teaching positions in the public schools to be cut. The unemployed parents can Homeschool of course.

I agree with this part. Strongly. I didn't know you read Quinn, RE.

It's nearly time for us to acknowledge that the twelve years of "school" we put kids through has become little more than torture in any case, and the end result is a bunch of young adults who know how to pass a standardized test but can barely think at all when it comes to anything requiring initiative or creativity. But that's probably a discussion for another thread.

[ReverseEngineer]

Well, since at least one person in a two parent household is currently unemployed, we really don't need Public Education anymore. The only reason you have Public Schools at all is as a Warehouse for kids so their parents can work. So you can certainly expect teaching positions in the public schools to be cut. The unemployed parents can Homeschool of course.

I agree with this part. Strongly. I didn't know you read Quinn, RE.

It's nearly time for us to acknowledge that the twelve years of "school" we put kids through has become little more than torture in any case, and the end result is a bunch of young adults who know how to pass a standardized test but can barely think at all when it comes to anything requiring initiative or creativity. But that's probably a discussion for another thread.

I Googled "Quinn and Education" and got results on Pat Quinn and Arne Duncan, is that the Quinn you are talking about?

Anyhow, I haven't read any material about the public school problems, what I write comes from observations over the years as a teacher. I've written about this before on these pages, though I can't remember the thread it was in. At any rate, if you start a thread on the subject I'll participate, or should I start one?

Reverse Engineer

[Plantagenet]

Obama's own deficit is the new record deficit....by several times over.

Is it really an Obama deficit or a redneck deficit ...?

Its really an Obama deficit (unless you think Obama is a redneck?). Its the deficit Obama's budget director proposes to create, and Obama supports.

Obama created his huge deficit by spending so much money in his porkulus bill, his budget supplement bill, his housing bailout bill, and the other bills Obama has pushed. The porkulus alone is almost a trillion dollars of deficit. And Obama isn't done spending yet....expect him send another bill to Congress to get authorisation to spend considerably more money on AIG bonuses and bank bailouts then he already has so the Obama deficit will be even worse then he is projecting in the graph above.

[Ludi]

I Googled "Quinn and Education" and got results on Pat Quinn and Arne Duncan, is that the Quinn you are talking about?

The Quinn some of us talk about is Daniel.

http://www.ishmael.org/Books/WriteSideways/

[TWilliam]

Well, since at least one person in a two parent household is currently unemployed, we really don't need Public Education anymore. The only reason you have Public Schools at all is as a Warehouse for kids so their parents can work. So you can certainly expect teaching positions in the public schools to be cut. The unemployed parents can Homeschool of course.

I agree with this part. Strongly. I didn't know you read Quinn, RE.

It's nearly time for us to acknowledge that the twelve years of "school" we put kids through has become little more than torture in any case, and the end result is a bunch of young adults who know how to pass a standardized test but can barely think at all when it comes to anything requiring initiative or creativity. But that's probably a discussion for another thread.

I Googled "Quinn and Education" and got results on Pat Quinn and Arne Duncan, is that the Quinn you are talking about?

Anyhow, I haven't read any material about the public school problems, what I write comes from observations over the years as a teacher. I've written about this before on these pages, though I can't remember the thread it was in. At any rate, if you start a thread on the subject I'll participate, or should I start one?

Reverse Engineer

I think coyote may be referring to Daniel Quinn of Ishmael fame. I believe he has expressed a similar opinion of public 'education' through his writings. John Gatto is another one who shares a parallel view...

[ReverseEngineer]

I Googled "Quinn and Education" and got results on Pat Quinn and Arne Duncan, is that the Quinn you are talking about?

The Quinn some of us talk about is Daniel.

http://www.ishmael.org/Books/WriteSideways/

Thanks Ludi. I'll have to put this on my reading list I guess, though perhaps I should avoid it for a while to keep my own conclusions free of Quinn's? I'll start a thread, you guys can fill me in on what parallels or conflicts there are with what Quinn wrote.

Reverse Engineer

[coyote]

Yes, sorry, I meant Daniel Quinn. The paragraph you wrote is so similar to things he's written on the subject that I assumed you'd been reading him.

Perhaps the whole last page of this discussion can simply be split into its own thread?