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Hi Threadbare, did you check out my link to the Jochems' family schooner? It has a fully raised full length deck, which gives the option of control from on deck or within the cabin.threadbear wrote:I HOPE to get a motor sailor one day, SGypsy. I think they will hold their value much better than a motor boat. Sailing isn't quite so romantic where I am. It's cold on the water, better to be inside the boat, most of the year. But the silence would be just great, and it's more environmentally friendly. Motor sailors seem like a good compromise. My husband would like to get a boat and take it to Hawaii. I think I could make it on a sailboat. I don't get sea sick, usually. We'd have to crew up, though, because the watches would be brutal, otherwise.
SeaGypsy wrote:my advice is in every seafarers manual since time immemorial. The reason to stay away from shore is simple: deep water soaks up surface turbulence; shallow water magnifies it.
Also your chance of running into a solid object are highest near shore.
The best crewmate has a name: Experience.Dawn wrote:No, I didn't give any advice. I was asking an honest question. Say you go boating when the weather is nice. Then suddenly you can see a storm coming. You're close to an island on the lake, but for some (strange) reason you choose to race the storm to shore inland. The storm beats you there.
You want to sail to Newfoundland or to Tahiti? That is just way more boat than you need. Go for something trailerable, keep the costs down and spend the rest of the money on more and better preps.Newfie wrote:Last week we went to Florida to look at a 52 foot CSK catamaran. It is a nice boat but not suitable for our immediate needs. Not sure of asking price but I think it is $139K.
Not quite right. Greenland and Tahiti, in that order. I'm already sailing in Newfoundland. I was looking for a different boat that would meet the various needs of my Wife.ReverseEngineer wrote:You want to sail to Newfoundland or to Tahiti?Newfie wrote:Last week we went to Florida to look at a 52 foot CSK catamaran. It is a nice boat but not suitable for our immediate needs. Not sure of asking price but I think it is $139K.
How many is your minimum crew? The cat will need at least 4 very fit adults to sail optimally.Newfie wrote:Last week we went to Florida to look at a 52 foot CSK catamaran. It is a nice boat but not suitable for our immediate needs. Not sure of asking price but I think it is $139K. --snip--
The CSK is a warm water boat even though it is well insulated. My sailing and bug out place are in the high latitudes so the motor sailer makes more sense.
You can make anything float: link These ideas have been around a very long time. Personally the best boat for the least money is what puts wind in my sails.katkinkate wrote:Hi SeaGypsy. I've been listening to Radio National (ABC Aust) while munching my breakfast toast and they had an interview from someone representing the Seasteading Institute. They had a longish discussion on building floating cities in international waters to provide space for new nation/city states and room for political/social experimentation. I immediately thought of you and your fellow boating enthusiasts. The interview can be found here: link.
Lake Winnipeg is awesome to live on when it's not frozen over with 4 feet of ice 6 months of the year. However around the lake (lots of cottage areas around the lake) is the place to be. Fishing, hunting, and lots of trees.ReverseEngineer wrote:Cruising about with the Yachties has a nice romantic flavor to it, but in a crash scenario would have a lot of problems, from safety to spare parts to keeping the galley stocked and having fuel to cook with. --snip-- I think Lake Superior or Lake Winipeg might be pretty good places to live on a boat and not too dangerous. Still tough to get spare parts though.
I'm not much use in the ice department! I heard on the grapevine that the Mississippi River has been dangerous for a few years, mainly from opportunistic theft. But aside from that I know very little about what the USA and Canada are like currently from a waterways perspective.ki11ercane wrote:Lake Winnipeg is awesome to live on when it's not frozen over with 4 feet of ice 6 months of the year. However around the lake (lots of cottage areas around the lake) is the place to be.
Sounds tempting with or without PO...if only my other half was half as adventrous as me.SeaGypsy wrote:Currently I am based in Philippines fly in fly out to Central Australia to work. I am finalizing plans for my 'Doomship' which certainly won't be called that.
I am a devotee of Dmitry Orlov. His article 'A new Age of Sail' is along the lines of what I want to try. --snip-- Anyone keen to join in? Or do similar in other regions of the globe?
I'll contribute a few more ideas to the Yachtie Tribe idea, since it does cross my mind occassionally as a conceivable means of long term survival if you have sufficient people and boats involved with sufficient protectionSeaGypsy wrote:I'm not much use in the ice department! I heard on the grapevine that the Mississippi River has been dangerous for a few years, mainly from opportunistic theft. But aside from that I know very little about what the USA and Canada are like currently from a waterways perspective. --snip-- The famous Trobriand Islands (Kiriwina)are in this area; the only place in thew world with a fully fledged ancient civilization functioning without either God or Money right up until the present.Though somewhat adulterated now, I have studied the culture and it's one place in the world I would love to go.
Although your overall community might be large, I don;t think you want to have ALL of them in a mass flotilla together at any time. Remember you have multilple locations and multipple boats to work with here. You want to stay "under the radar" in terms of numbers moving together at any time, but also travel in sufficient numebrs for some safety. A community in total of 100 boats, 10 to a boat, which travels in packs of 10 boats at a time seems a good number set up to me. You should always have split up and redezvous protocols set up in advance, if set upon by a Pirate, the flottilla breaks up and the priate goes after one unfortunate victim, but the other 9 rendezvous at a predertimened place and time.SeaGypsy wrote:The 2 worries I have with RE's point on numbers are: more people = more mouths to feed and make trouble+ a large movement of craft or flotilla could be seen as a military target.
I think you want to really know your area and have lots of friends along the way; friends in remote places are not hard to make: hence my inlusion of trading skills as a key concern.
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