Ludi's links and info

[Ludi]

Alternative economy:


Gift Economy


Open Source


Creative Commons


Freecycle


Freeganism

[Ludi]

another story to be in:

http://www.ishmael.org/welcome.cfm

http://anthropik.com/

[Quinny]

Ludi it's uncanny you've posted this today as I've just started Jeavons How to grow that you recommended before. I flicked through previously but as I haven't had land till recently I've only just started in earnest.

I was actually making notes from it when the post came up.

When you say about the diet planner in One Circle does it include animal products or is it vegetarian. I couldn't afford it on my last purchase, but my family aren't veggy, so it might not be that relevant.

[Ludi]

One Circle is strictly vegan, no animal products are included in the diet plans. That's not the diet I personally recommend, because I feel it is difficult to get sufficient calories and some nutrients from a homegrown vegan diet. I think some animal products should be included, but that's just my personal opinion. The One Circle diets are very useful for planning the garden, though, even if you choose to raise some animal products as supplements.

[Quinny]

Thanks, I followed the link and it is completely Vegan as you say. I understand the issues re meat eating, but if we were to look at self sufficiency, I personally believe that animal husbandry is important.

I've got the John Seymour and Carla Emery books and I think they are very comprehensive, and give a good feel for what's needed without too much detail. What do you think?

[Ludi]

if we were to look at self sufficiency, I personally believe that animal husbandry is important.

100% agree. Animals can eat stuff we can't, and turn it into nutritious yummy products. But they do tend to take up extra room. "One Circle" is about providing a complete diet in the smallest possible space.

I think Carla Emery's book is a fantastic resource, I refer to it regularly. I don't have any books by John Seymour yet.

[mos6507]

Gardening video showing methods inspired by Fukuoka's work.

Thanks, I enjoyed watching this very much.

[oowolf]

Native American Ethnobotany database (D. Moerman)
Cornucopia, S. Facciola
Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants, Ratsch
Mushrooms Demystified, Arora
Mycelium Running, Stamets (actually, anything by Stamets)
Encyclopedia of Herbs and Their Uses, ed.: Bown (emphasis on N. America)
Manual of Cultivated Trees and Shrubs Hardy in North America, A. Rehder (no pictures-not for beginners)
Edible Forest Gardens, Jacke, Toensmeier
Edible Water Gardens, Romanowski
I use these constantly. Should be in every serious ecotopia library.

[Ludi]

This isn't a general links thread, though. Ok, guys?

[pstarr]

if we were to look at self sufficiency, I personally believe that animal husbandry is important.

100% agree. Animals can eat stuff we can't, and turn it into nutritious yummy products. But they do tend to take up extra room. "One Circle" is about providing a complete diet in the smallest possible space.

I think Carla Emery's book is a fantastic resource, I refer to it regularly. I don't have any books by John Seymour yet.

This is so important to me now after a lifetime of gardening. I'd rather the animals do the work. Isn't this really the highest form of permaculture, working smart instead of working hard? From a personal energy accounting doesn't it make sense to let the chicken find the cricket or the worm, eat it and bring back the protein to the coop for my breakfast egg? Otherwise I am seeding, cultivating, harvesting, composting. With chicken you just throw out the food scraps into their pen. Pigs will even thermodepolymerize poop

I've never read a vegan anti-livestock study that satisfied me. One that measures and compares local small-scale meat production into human food and energy . . . against a native ungulate/predator system for environmental effects.

In another words, were 100 million buffaloes and associated dire wolves, sabertooth tigers, and Ursus spelaeus (the cave bear) all eating, pissing, rooting, rutting, and rotting that much better for the environment than a chicken coop, or a goats and sheep, or even a few Scottish Long Horn Cattle in the back 5 acres?

It is not meat production but industrial meat production that is wrong. But then industrial grain production is awful. It is the basis of all that is wrong with agriculture.

[Ludi]

Texas planting guide:

http://plantanswers.tamu.edu/earthkind/ekgarden14.html

[efarmer]

Have you guys seen www.hillbillyhousewife.com before?
This woman is a frugal family food and household
budget stretching wizardess.


<edit> I should have searched FIRST. I see that
she has made the forum already. Oh well, I am happy
to kick the gong again for a good planning website.

[Ludi]

Carrying capacity, land management, watershed

http://www.footprintnetwork.org/en/index.php/GFN/

http://www.holisticmanagement.org/

http://www.greenbeltmovement.org/

http://www.harvestingrainwater.com/

http://rainwaterharvesting.tamu.edu/

http://www.twdb.state.tx.us/publication ... dition.pdf .

[Ludi]

Edible and useful plants database:

http://www.pfaf.org/database/index.php

[Ludi]

http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/watercycle.html


Soil Surveys by State

[Ludi]

Some transition plans



http://www.communitysolution.org/

http://www.transitiontowns.org/

http://transitionculture.org/

[Quinny]

Only just read this, but spot on!

if we were to look at self sufficiency, I personally believe that animal husbandry is important.

100% agree. Animals can eat stuff we can't, and turn it into nutritious yummy products. But they do tend to take up extra room. "One Circle" is about providing a complete diet in the smallest possible space.

I think Carla Emery's book is a fantastic resource, I refer to it regularly. I don't have any books by John Seymour yet.

This is so important to me now after a lifetime of gardening. I'd rather the animals do the work. Isn't this really the highest form of permaculture, working smart instead of working hard? From a personal energy accounting doesn't it make sense to let the chicken find the cricket or the worm, eat it and bring back the protein to the coop for my breakfast egg? Otherwise I am seeding, cultivating, harvesting, composting. With chicken you just throw out the food scraps into their pen. Pigs will even thermodepolymerize poop

I've never read a vegan anti-livestock study that satisfied me. One that measures and compares local small-scale meat production into human food and energy . . . against a native ungulate/predator system for environmental effects.

In another words, were 100 million buffaloes and associated dire wolves, sabertooth tigers, and Ursus spelaeus (the cave bear) all eating, pissing, rooting, rutting, and rotting that much better for the environment than a chicken coop, or a goats and sheep, or even a few Scottish Long Horn Cattle in the back 5 acres?

It is not meat production but industrial meat production that is wrong. But then industrial grain production is awful. It is the basis of all that is wrong with agriculture.

[Ludi]

Making stuff:

http://makezine.com/

http://www.craftster.org/

http://www.whatthecraft.com/tutorials.php

http://www.hjsstudio.com/tutorials.html

http://www.craftzine.com/

[pstarr]

Thanks Quinny.

Sorry Ludi, for distracting the thread from it's Godesslly Imperative

[Ludi]

No problem!