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LONDON (Reuters) - The international financial crisis has given world leaders a unique opportunity to create a truly global society, Britain's Prime Minister Gordon Brown will say in a keynote foreign policy speech on Monday.

In his annual speech at the Lord Mayor's Banquet, Brown -- who has spearheaded calls for the reform of international financial institutions -- will say Britain, the United States and Europe are key to forging a new world order.

He also wants immediate action to stop the spread of the financial crisis to middle-income countries, with a new facility for the International Monetary Fund, and agreement on a global trade deal, as well as reform of the global financial system.

"My message is that we must be: internationalist not protectionist; interventionist not neutral; progressive not reactive; and forward looking not frozen by events. We can seize the moment and in doing so build a truly global society.

http://mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/Full ... rc=RSS-BUS

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Loaded words, but coming from a Labour politician, doubly meaningless.

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@SG
My hunch is that he's actually telling the truth, and I just find that impressive, like here's a computer screen and it's got forex candlesticks on it and there's just a pattern and system to follow and one can make a living that way.

To bring this thread back on topic, about Corbyn, I suppose we're talking about far far left and how far left is it when far left is too far left into socialism that destroys jobs and the govt can't pay for the extra benefits the socialists want.

I think a key factor, really is immigration.

You can't have a lot of social benefits, AND open immigration, those two things do not go together.

And AD is a bit quixotic -- a communist, that is preaching Ronald Reagan "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" trickledown hope and aspiration, while never talking about immigration or offshoring or big corporations just screwing the workers over.

Reagan wouldnt know a bootstrap if it tugged at him. Which is why he was a corruptable as he was in blessing us with the legacy of Islamic mayhem.

I have a higher regard for Corbyn who sees the need to let capitalism be global and culturally uplifting across the entire planet. I would even include Obama in there as he must have been exceptional to get past your kind.

I work hard because that is the nature of capitalism, not because some shyster who did shady back room deals windbagged so.

edit; and you dont see me whining at rednecks posting in my thread unlike some others.

Post away Cog, sixo, SG (whoooooooooo).

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Sticking to the topic, about Corbyn.

Strange video, I almost feel sorry for him, but yet why won't he answer any press questions:

SKY hounding Jeremy Corbyn and The Elephant Man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1BkI3jyBZQ

Is that a socialist that is "too good" and above everyone else and can't deign to answer questions?

Or is the message of the above video right, with the elephant man analogy, like everyone is just a horrible bully regarding Corbyn?

("The Elephant Man.." I really am a compassionate empathetic person guys, and I don't like bullies, oh my goodness that movie used to pull my heartstrings. There is nothing worse than a bully picking on the defenseless or vulnerable. But -- Corbyn is a politician, not a handicapped person.)

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six

He is quite open and polite in his message unlike Trump your hero so I havent a clue what you are prattling on about

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six

He is quite open and polite in his message unlike Trump your hero so I havent a clue what you are prattling on about

Did you watch the skynews reporters, vid I just linked?

And in that first video I linked in this thread, the interviewer asked Corbyn how he handles all the bullying, or something.

I don't know about this fellow at all, is he bullied unfairly or not, or what's he like.

edit: I watched some other reports, they say he brought in 60,000 new voters or something, and just 3 months ago it was 200 to 1 odds against him winning.

Seems like an "outsider" thing to me, a vibe we've got going over here too.

My impression so far is he is like Bernie Sanders -- JUST DIALED WAY LEFT. It's like the Bernie Sanders that our extreme farthest left, and his extreme farthest left voters in Vermont, wishes he were. (things like, they just want anything that's military to be canceled, and they don't want Israel getting the iron dome, on and on and on, just total noam chomsky stuff)

Seems like a principled guy. But, principled is not always practical. Principled leftism, if it's too far left and unreasonable and BLIND to reality, that can just result in lines at the shop for bread yet there is no bread to buy.

I watched the Russia Today report, it's quite glowing, RT notes he's a frequent guest on RT:

'Blair's Bane': Radical leftist Jeremy Corbyn wins UK Labour leadership election
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaV7TaAZx1c

I cannot respect this man, if he has never had anything negative to say about Putin and human rights in Russia and what's going on in east europe with Russia, or if he is just all against Israel and not fair about it, just taking the palestinians' side, etc.

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Feck...the guys is not gonna perform like a monkey at every press briefing. Trump is way more wayward in his briefings which the Right just love and get wet over.

This guy is a decent man who will probably do growth and jobs more good than some others (I reckon Trump for all his buffonery will also be good for business...But I dont think hes gonna play ball with Murican workers as he is making out.)

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Feck...the guys is not gonna perform like a monkey at every press briefing. Trump is way more wayward in his briefings which the Right just love and get wet over.

This guy is a decent man who will probably do growth and jobs more good than some others (I reckon Trump for all his buffonery will also be good for business...But I dont think hes gonna play ball with Murican workers as he is making out.)

People just want leadership.

I can see why Corbyn is popular.

But listening to him, so far, I'm just seeing "Noam Chomsky," like Noam Chomsky just won labour party leader.

I'm sorry AD, there is a bit of a naivete among the farthest extreme left. The farthest left green party. They listen to Noam Chomsky and such, they read "counterpunch," they have all these conspiracy theories, they watch RT. They are not quite in tune with reality.

Farthest far left like this are the types that pull all the cops back and then crime is through the roof.

And they demilitarize, and can't respond to real external threats.

If Corbyn winds up PM one day then okay, it's up to Brits what they want, they can try him out and see if he does well overall or not.

But it's sad, like being brainwashed by "RT." Don't they realize, they will just be under Moscow's thumb? And towing Moscow's line about everything, all the time? How is that moral?

I've warned about this on this forum before, that actually there are no "orders from Washington DC" whereas when you are aligned with Moscow then that's a whole other matter entirely, they are not as soft and warm and cuddly and understanding as the Americans are.

Everyone is tired of the supposed "American bully" yet they'd run to a real strongman leader, I don't get it.

Pro-Putin Corbyn Wins: Corbyn blames NATO for 'stoking the flames of civil war' in Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBhZgJTdHPI

Anyhiow, congrats AD, this is a big victory for your views. This Corbyn fellow is a darn near communist. "Putin admirer," according to the reports I'm seeing, etc.

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six

I get the feeling that you want someone to guarantee you a job and have lots of theories as to why that should be so.

If you are good, I would employ you. If not, I would employ the best irrespective of where they come from. Any businessman when pushed thinks that way. That is the way the world is headed. Politicians who recognoise that and work constructively with it do lots more for everyone in bringing modernity to all.

You need to get used to the idea and learn to stand on your own two feet. In due course, when we are ready, a more cooperative society will evolve.

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Bernie Sanders was asked about Corbyn, 4 min mark:

Bernie Sanders asked about Jeremy Corbyn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a-hB-4h6_s

Now, I know Sanders' views very well, and while he's got the "noam chomsky" types with him -- he is not actually that far extreme, as in pulling back from alliances and leaving nato and not helping Israel with Iron Dome, etc., and even Bernie says we have to fight ISIS. He's actually gotten a lot of heat before, from his farthest far left base in Vermont, for being fair and down the middle about Israel.

Asked about Corbyn -- Sanders just goes on about how people are tired of the usual politics and the 1% having all the money, etc. etc.

I don't know if Bernie is aware or not, of Corbyn's anti-nato and pro moscow views. As a voter, I'd like to hear him asked about that at some point -- would Bernie reject the farthest far extreme left, or not.

As a voter, I'd be a bit nervous supporting and voting for Sanders if it's really a slippery slope and the next thing you know you've got Noam Chomsky president, AFTER a president bernie sanders.

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Bernie Sanders was asked about Corbyn, 4 min mark:

Bernie Sanders asked about Jeremy Corbyn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a-hB-4h6_s

Now, I know Sanders' views very well, and while he's got the "noam chomsky" types with him -- he is not actually that far extreme, as in pulling back from alliances and leaving nato and not helping Israel with Iron Dome, etc. He's actually gotten a lot of heat before, from his farthest far left base in Vermont, for being fair and down the middle about Israel.

Asked about Corbyn -- Sanders just goes on about how people are tired of the usual politics and the 1% having all the money, etc. etc.

I don't know if Bernie is aware or not, of Corbyn's anti-nato and pro moscow views.

There is no distinct Moscow economic bloc these days so these are the views of a mischievous nativist lumpen worker and not a reflection of the new realities in the borderless world.

The conflicts between the various capitalist are largely about who dominates the top table as the global pie grows.

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Corbyn appoints a vegan to farmers' issues, shadow secretary of environment:

Jeremy Corbyn appoints vegan Kerry McCarthy to deal with Britain's farmers
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-appoints-a-vegan-to-deal-with-britains-farmers-10500157.html

Russian ambassador and Russian embassy tweeted support for Corbyn, Russian ambassador saying the Corbyn election will improve relations with Moscow:

Russians For Corbyn: Vladimir Putin's London Embassy Backs Jeremy Corbyn Against Attacks From Tories

Russian Embassy, UK ✔ @RussianEmbassy
Just imagine UK media headlines if Russian President called a leading opposition party threat to national security?

Alexander Yakovenko ✔ @Amb_Yakovenko
Congratulations to @JeremyCorbyn. Hope for positive change in terms of debate, incl on our relations. #corbyncabinet
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/14/jeremy-corbyn-conservatives-video-attack_n_8132610.html

Jeremy Corbyn's naive foreign policy would put Europe in danger

In one sense, Corbyn's pro-Russian stance is hardly surprising considering his penchant for looking at where the US stands in a conflict and resolutely taking the opposite side.

Public research suggests that this strategy appeals highly to his base, with one poll finding that 51% of Corbyn supporters believe that America is “the greatest single threat to world peace”. Corbyn's rebellious politics, along with his frequent appearances on Russia's English language propaganda channel RT
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2015/09/11/jeremy-corbyn-s-naive-foreign-policy-would-put-europe-in-dan

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Washington Post editorial:

The Post's View
The threat of Jeremy Corbyn’s radically anti-American agenda

Mr. Corbyn espouses a foreign policy whose guiding principle is to oppose the United States and Israel by all means. It has led him to label as “friends” such disparate political forces as Hamas, Hezbollah and the populist government of Venezuela and to accept funding from organizations designated by the U.S. government as terrorist groups. Mr. Corbyn endorsed the Iraqi insurgents who fought U.S. troops and equated the Islamic State’s overrunning of Iraqi cities with the 2004 U.S. offensive in Fallujah. He said that Washington, rather than Moscow, is to blame for the civil war in Ukraine. In an interview with Iran’s state television channel, he called the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden a “tragedy.”

A member of Parliament since 1983, the 66-year-old Mr. Corbyn unabashedly espouses the agenda defended by the Labour Party three decades ago. He would nationalize railroads, utilities and all other public services, massively increase government spending, and even reopen the coal mines closed by Margaret Thatcher; global warming was not an issue in the 1980s. Like Labour’s leaders then, he favors British withdrawal from NATO and perhaps the European Union, and the unilateral scrapping of U.K. nuclear weapons.

Thanks to those stands, Labour lost four consecutive national elections before moving back to the center under Tony Blair — whom Mr. Corbyn favors prosecuting for “war crime[s].” His supporters say he was propelled into power by a tide of new, younger voters fed up with traditional politics.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-threat-of-jeremy-corbyns-radically-anti-american-agenda/2015/09/14/729b816a-5b00-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html

Argentina praises Corbyn election, hopes to get the Falkland Islands:

Argentina: Jeremy Corbyn is 'one of ours' when it comes to Falkland Islands dispute

Argentina's ambassador to the UK claims the Labour leader's victory was "without doubt" a sign of a "change of winds" in the UK over the Falklands
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11863351/Argentina-Jeremy-Corbyn-is-one-of-ours-when-it-comes-to-Falkland-Islands-dispute.html

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Corbyn is indeed a bright man in accessing the vegan movement...a markedly better way of feeding the world. Of course, more peaceful relations with Russia are eminently sensible given the lamentable record of the Right in finding all sorts of bogeymen in Putins Russia where there are none...and not forgetting their great legacy to the world, Islam on steroids.

Now if only Trump will let business acumen prevail.....Hmmm. Yesssss.

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Anti American....most unlikely. perhaps anti Rightist but then again, are the Right really representative of anyone but their own incompetent pockets.

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Gas

This shit was created when they created Islamic proxies. Britain was involved in that and no amount of rage will wish it away, especially while the region continues to be bombed and levelled. It is simply not possible. It would be like the French bombing your country and complaining when you turn up at their borders for refuge.
Some confused Jew loving nazi types (yeah...the nazis have gotta have a scapegoat) would love to murder all muslims but that is just typical of that sort. If Corbyn can find a way to end this shit, its about time.

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Hillary Clinton superpac goes after Bernie Sanders, linking him to Hugo Chavez and Jeremy Corbyn:

A Pro-Clinton Super PAC Is Going Negative On Bernie Sanders
The group links Sanders to Venezuela's Hugo Chavez and the United Kingdom's new Labour Party leader, Jeremy Corbyn.

Clinton's camp has long said it has no plans to attack Sanders. But the super PAC, called Correct the Record, departed from its defense of Clinton's record as a former secretary of state in an email Monday that compares Sanders with Corbyn. Correct the Record, led by Clinton ally David Brock, also has sent trackers after Sanders and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.

The email also cites Corbyn's comment that he'd invite his "friends" from Hezbollah to come to the U.K. to discuss peace in the Middle East and an editorial in which he said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's "attempt to encircle Russia is one of the big threats of our time."

The email uses those comments to pivot to "similarities" between Corbyn and Sanders, who have engaged in a mild cross-Atlantic love-fest of late, given that they are both insurgent populists challenging their political parties' establishments. Corbyn has said he is following Sanders' campaign "with great interest," and Sanders said he was "delighted" that the Labour Party elected Corbyn as its leader.

The "similarities" between the two, according to the email, include Sanders' introduction of legislation to terminate the United States' nuclear weapons program, comments that NATO's expansion into former Soviet states is dangerous because it could provoke Russia, opposition to more U.S. funds for NATO, and saying he "was concerned" that proposed new NATO members had shipped arms to Iran and North Korea.

The more serious stretch comes as the email highlights how Sanders helped negotiate a program with Venezuela's national oil company in 2006 that provided discounted heating oil assistance to low-income Vermonters.

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Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs wrote in an email to The Huffington Post that Correct the Record was "distorting the record." The Sanders campaign has argued that attacks from Clinton supporters are inspired by anxiety over his leads in polls of Democratic voters in Iowa and New Hampshire.

"It is disappointing that Secretary Clinton's super PAC is spreading disinformation about Bernie," Briggs wrote. "This is exactly the kind of politics that Bernie is trying to change. To equate bringing home heating oil to low-income Vermonters with support for the Chavez government is dishonest."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11

Ya know..

Why can't we just get something done for workin' people in the UK, and the USA, *without* disbanding nato and abandoning Israel and joining Putin and the Warsaw Pact.

I mean Jesus, seriously here, just do some things for workin' folks. But like old FDR. Not this communist stuff.

The super far left is just SO far left, it's like they've got these poison pill ideas that are just crazy and the moderate middle just cannot go along with it. People want some higher wages, yes, but no they do not want to be communists and have Noam Chomsky as president or prime minister, ok?

About Sanders..

His super far left far radical days were a long time ago, and from all I'd seen I thought he was not so far left on foreign policy, now. The Hillary Clinton attack is sneaky.. I can't say I like Hillary either..

I don't know, I think Sanders really SHOULD clarify the stuff about Corbyn and make it clear that what Sanders is trying to do is not quite the same as Corbyn. That yes, we are going to be responsible on foreign policy, and no we are not going to just become a bunch of Noam Chomsky wingnuts, and no we are not going to join the Warsaw Pact, no we are not going to disband NATO.

Otherwise I like Sanders, but as a voter I'm a bit concerned, I need clarification that Sanders is not Corbyn.

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THIS is what we have to put up with.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... e-refugees

Backbencher Rachael Maskell said Britons should just lie down and accept longer waits for hospital treatment and larger classes in schools in order to accommodate more Syrians and other migrants fleeing conflict overseas. She attacked David Cameron's plan to accept 20,000 more Syrians from refugee camps over the next five years as inadequate. Her outburst, which came at a rally to support refugees held in her York Central constituency on Saturday, was branded "dangerously out of touch".
She told the gathering: "We need to shout so much more and say 20,000 is not enough, 30,000 is not enough.

Bloody traitor - lock her up in the Tower of London with the rest of the scum in Westminster.

Big trouble ahead.

Gas

I've got AD on ignore, which is nice, he is spamming & insulting his way round the boards 18 hours a day.
I worked out the real reason he started on me- his view is that as a migrant married to a different race migrant, (he doesn't know I'm 1/16th each Afghan, Arrende, Chikataw, & 6 different European nationalities mixed up, so its not like I'm breaking a mold. )

Thing is, he thinks non white nationalism in white predominant countries is an anachronism. My view is you only have to have a basic comprehension of social economics & weight of numbers, new settler burden vs productivity average etc to know race needs have not a damn thing to do with wanting border control & immigration control.

My ancestors fought for countries they believed in, & they created the culture I grew up in, which is if anything the opposite of racist, but staunchly nationalist & globally progressive rationalists & humanists. I dain to engage with such drivel as AD continues to spew forth, not far off sectionable ranting & saturated with disdain, I simply can't be bothered.

I agree Gaz, the open borders mob are traitors if there ever was such a thing. Those living in the top 3% of global average income called first world social security, & the top 1% called first world full time employed, bitching about the 1% without a hint of irony, are stooges for a great & vicious game being set in motion, one which the likes of AD has already resigned himself to, wishfully thinking it can all be fast tracked to avoid all the drama. No can do. There are universal laws at play which overarch any semantics game. The gods are going to war.

(If anyone else quotes AD in case he actually says anything pertinent I can see it but I'm not reading all his garbage or I will need a lobotomy.)

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SG

You are quiet at liberty to post as you wish and I am at liberty to poke holes in your posts. However,I will not tolerate veiled threats each time I post on an issuet. You are welcome to take a reasoned stance, but threats of pitchforks or putting Maoris onto me will not do and I will stand my ground to such bullying.

Clearly it does perplex me that you can soft soap Cog and his Confed flag propensities and yet throw such a tantrum at my quite reasonable position of the impossibility of barring muslim refugees whilst we bomb their countries. But you clearly are not the full shilling.

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More comparison of Corbyn and Sanders, article says Corbyn is "barking mad" insane, whereas Sanders is a more moderate "garden variety socialist." But asks the question, is Jeremy Corbyn what Sanders would LIKE to be, if not constrained by a farther right spectrum in US politics:

BERNIE SANDERS ♥ JEREMY CORBYN

Some, like Tim Worstall writing in Forbes, have argued that Bernie Sanders is no Jeremy Corbyn. Sanders, Worstall says, is a garden-variety social democrat, while Corbyn is “barking mad.”

Certainly Corbyn has gone beyond Sanders on a number of fronts: Corbyn has refused to condemn the IRA, and was seemingly tolerant of their attempted assassination of Margaret Thatcher. These days, he is an enthusiastic supporter of Iran’s mullahs and is on friendly terms with Hamas. He also wants to withdraw from NATO and unilaterally retire Britain’s nuclear force.

Domestically, Corbyn is an old-fashioned socialist. He wants to nationalize all power companies and railroads. He opposes welfare reform and wants to institute rent controls. He has proposed “people’s quantitative easing,” under which the Bank of England would print money to be poured into “large-scale housing, energy, transport and digital projects.”

Is Corbyn really crazier than Sanders, or is he just Sanders, unfettered by political constraints?

The spectrum of acceptable British politics runs farther to the left than America’s. Moreover, Sanders is running for the nomination of a successful political party that has won the last two presidential elections. That dictates a reasonable amount of prudence. Corbyn, conversely, is taking over the shell of a Labour Party whose moderate elements are fleeing for the lifeboats. Maybe Corbyn represents, more or less, what Bernie Sanders would like to be, given the opportunity.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/09/bernie-sanders-%E2%99%A5-jeremy-corbyn.php