Well, I can't say I didn't try to discuss this reasonably. But if you wanna flame, I'm fair game.
VMarcHart wrote:You're all bark and no bite, yesplease. What is your field of expertise, if you have one? Are you an accountant, a nurse, or someone very book smart but without field experience? How many EVs do you own?
Better than all bark and all bullshit!
Besides claiming to work on wind power and throwing around estimates that are off by more than an order of magnitude in the best case, what is your field of expertise? Are you an accountant, a nurse, or someone who isn't very book smart but without applicable field experience? How many EVs do you own?
VMarcHart wrote:If you knew what I know about my field, you'd be saying we need millions of windmills to replace 20mbpd.
If you knew what EV manufacturers and the DOE stated about EV power consumption, you would also know that you're full of it. Granted, ya can't be expected to bother reading these things, and even if you do, we all know that only you know the true energy consumption of EVs.
VMarcHart wrote:Since you know jack about either the production or the consumption, other than what you read, you should listen to the (half?) experts.
I'd rather know "jack" than claim to know more about EVs than the DOE/NREL and private companies producing 'em. If we plunk down 4,000,000 1.5MW GE turbines, they'll generate 16,820,000,000MWh per year at 32% of the nameplate capacity, or 16,820,000,000,000kWh per year. We only make a bit more than 4,000,000,000,000kWh per year, so to say that we'll need four times more electricity than we produce right now to replace oil for passenger vehicle transportation is batshitcrazy to say the least.
Even the manufacturer of the largest passenger electric vehicle
so far only needs about .35kWh/mile to push their ~5,000lb vehicle down the road. Assuming we could all dig up the $50-100k needed to purchase a vehicle like this or something similar, an entire passenger vehicle fleet of electric SUVs/SUTs would still only need a bit more than a trillion kWh per year, or 25% of supply, to travel three trillion miles a year. They certainly wouldn't need 400% of supply. The only way we would need that would be driving three trillion miles a year in loaded electric garbage trucks.
VMarcHart wrote:There are a thousand variables at play with the development and operation of large wind farms, and you prefer to listen to the DOE. Good luck. Again, I'm doing my part, while you read and extrapolate about it. If it suits you, good for you. Please keep me abreast of your EV-nation and their 165K windmills. Unless you want to know about the challenges of wind energy development, I'm done with this thread. There's nothing else I can do to help here.
Yup, I'm gonna listen to the DOE
who wants to push forward and install enough wind power to reach 20% of the grid's output instead of someone who thinks we need enough wind power to reach 400% of the grid's output.
If you wanna "do your part" for fearmongering by pulling outrageous numbers outa your you know what, that's fine by me. Doomcopianism isn't just an outlook ya know, it's a way of life.