THE Iraqi Oil Thread pt 2 (merged)

[Muckingfess]

When you watch CNN, ever watch Lou Dobbs? He is about the closest thing they have to a journalist.

As far as the other "news media" you mentioned, they are all controlled by big business and will not make waves.

As biased as FOX news is, I think they come the closest to being real, just take into account their conservative ownership.

I saw a quote somewhere that the reason the NYT subscriptions are down is that less people own birds and wrap fish. All the print media is now owned by just a few large companies.

We are being told what TPTB wants us to know. We have to find the truth for ourselves.

Do you think the media is doing a good/fair job on the election? The media is electing our next president.

[retiredguy]

Pretty poorly kept secret.

Most of us on this board connected the dots a long time ago.

Don't look for the MSM to provide you with accurate information.

[heartandseoul]

Muckinfess I don't believe the media is doing a good job with the elections. Anyway, increasingly I am looking at news stories with a new set of eyes. I do read Thomas Friedman and I am searching out other media outlets.
I feel I'm now "researching" the news rather than letting myself be spoon fed.

And retiredguy, like you said, I do realize many of you on this board HAVE connected the dots long ago. That is wonderful for you. I admire that. I wish I was one of you.

However, I only found this website a few weeks ago and now I'm playing catchup. Please don't fault me for that.

[catbox]

I just seem to have memories of protesters holding signs and shouting, "No Blood For Oil"! .....Boy did people on that side of the fence get sh*& for claiming that.

catbox

[Micki]

Former Fed Reserve chairman Alan (GreenSpam) Greenspan: Iraq war was really for oil
Times Online

Australia's former defence minister in 07:
Defence Minister Brendan Nelson says securing the world's oil supply is one of the Federal Government's considerations as it decides how long to keep troops in Iraq.
ABC

prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi: Prosecute Bush for Murder
In The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, the New York Times bestselling author and prosecutor lays out the legal case for prosecuting President Bush in a US courtroom after he leaves office.
theNation


Most people seem to have understood that the justifications for war was based on lies. Not incompetence, LIES.
They also acknowledge that oil most likely was the reason.
Yet there seems to be a complete disconnect when equating these lies to thousands upon thousands of deaths because of it.
It is very sad.

[heartandseoul]

Thanks Micki for the links. I think a key word in your post is "disconnect." I think equating all those deaths in Iraq to a quest for oil is maybe emotionally too much to bear for many Americans.

I had a conversation about this topic at a July 4 picnic. I ventured into PO and made a couple vague statements about Iraq and oil, and was verbally, well, lashed, admonished, whatever, by several couples in the group, including men and women.

I quickly shut up and found myself another beer and some pasta salad.

[dukey]

well before the nightmare that is Iraq kicked off
Cheney and his goons literally planned to carve up iraq, into rougly 10 blocks and give it to the major oil companies

documents here
http://www.judicialwatch.org/iraqi-oil-maps.shtml

There really is no question, Americas genocide in the middle east is for oil.

[Gobsmack]

...As a proud American, I feel like I'm waking up to the fact that I've been fed lies and it's left a bad taste. But now it feels like it's too late to spit back.

This Asia Times story really jolted me out of what, a stupor? I think so - and I'm wondering why I don't see this type of story on CNN or Today or GMA. Am I way off base here?

News Flash fer Newbies!

[web]http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/013004_in_your_face.html[/web]

[heroineworshipper]

What's wrong with fighting for Oil, survival, & life as you know it?

[skeptik]

What's wrong with fighting for Oil, survival, & life as you know it?

How about illegal, immoral, and ultimately doomed to failure?

[zoidberg]

y'know the UN pretty much definitively proved there werent any WMD's in Iraq even before the invasion. Google Scott Ritter.

[yesplease]

Well, we killed the ZEV mandate, something that would've result in tens of millions of EVs, killed the PNGV program, all while the Big 3 whined about not being able to compete w/ foreign hybrids, giving away SUVs to small business owners for free on the public dime, as well as destabilizing the only producer in the ME whose output was limited for the previous decade. They only thing some people are worried about is making as much money as possible off of a peak.

[mos6507]

I'm really disappointed in this thread. I thought it was all about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-bsf2x-aeE

[yesplease]

I'm really disappointed in this thread. I thought it was all about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-bsf2x-aeE

How do ya know?

[kokoda]

What's wrong with fighting for Oil, survival, & life as you know it?

I take it you will be enlisting.

[ozkrenske]

heroineworshipper wrote:

What's wrong with fighting for Oil, survival, & life as you know it?

I'll just say "Blowback" as a one word answer.

For a much better answer, I will say hatred and unintended consequences. The current war in the middle east, if it is for oil, is obviously not helping the world at large.

George Bush could of said in 2002, "I ask this nation to dedicate itself to throwing off the shackles of dependance on foreign energy." If he had then invested half the money expended on the war in iraq in america, developing infrastructure, energy sources and conservation the results would have been incredible. 50 + nukes coming online now with probably another 25-50 over the next three years. Probably a 5-10 mpg increase in average vehicle fuel consumption by now. Maybe even a few high speed rail and enhanced freight rail lines as well. It would also have helped the economy in quite a considerable way.

Instead it's all gone, for no gain, only loss. All it's built is hatred in the world and damaged the American economy. Once 2 of the 3 big American auto companies go under the economy will be shattered. When some one who has observed a big chunk of his family die decides on revenge by carrying out a WMD attack on the US things will just get worse.

Yep "blowback" is the answer.

[mos6507]

heroineworshipper wrote:

What's wrong with fighting for Oil, survival, & life as you know it?

I'll just say "Blowback" as a one word answer.

If this isn't dysfunctional I don't know what is. It's like "gee, I know I'm addicted to oil but I have to look like a moral upstanding american. I can't let my neighbor know that I openly sanctioned a resource war, so thank goodness our president, following in George Bush's pioneering footsteps, will find some transparent McGuffin to hang on country du jour so we can invade them, steal the oil, and walk away with plausible deniability. It's a dirty job (my heart bleeds) but somebody's got to do it. I know it, my neighbor knows it, but we won't really acknowledge it to eachother because we're supposed to be the good guys."

You know, I partly blame congress for this, for refusing to impeach Cheney and Bush. They've now set a precedent for presidential corruption and abuse of power. I can only hope that Obama has more integrity than some of the more cynical members of this forum think he has.

[idiom]

Yep. America is screwed. The question is how many nations can she take down with her?

[OilFinder2]

Be sure to rush out to your local newsstand today to catch a copy of the Wall Street Journal.

--> WSJ teaser <--

Wildcatters Plunge Into North Iraq
By Neil King Jr.

TAWKE, Iraq -- The Canadians are squeezing oil from sand. The Brazilians want to nurse it up through miles of seawater, sandstone and salt. But here in the far north of Iraq, oil is literally bubbling to the surface.

Oil executives lament that the age of "easy oil" is over. It isn't over here. For companies that have stumbled into this corner of Iraq known as Kurdistan, it's an era that has just begun.

"Look at this," said Magne Normann, Middle East director for DNO International ASA of Norway, as he stood beside a pond of oil oozing up on ...

There's a photo gallery accompanying the article which non-subscribers can read.

Check it out - oil everywhere!

Sizable natural seeps of oil are uncommon anywhere in the world these days. In Iraq, however, they have often tipped off explorers to large pockets of oil underground.

Mr. Normann, left, admires one of the many natural oil seeps near the village of Tawke, just miles from the border with Turkey. These seeps first drew DNO's attention to this corner of Iraq.

Oil oozing out the sides of the rocks!

More than 25 companies from around the world are now prospecting in Kurdistan, making the area one of the liveliest exploration zones in the oil-rich Middle East.

Left, oil seeps from a rock ledge northwest of Erbil.

[joewp]

Good, OF2. Let's suck it out of the ground and burn it up as fast as we can, just like we did with all the other oil.

The sooner it's all gone, the better, as far as I'm concerned.