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Interfector wrote:I mean, big change needs to happen to the way we live right now. We've probably already shot our chance to avert a catastrophe but that doesn't mean we can't start to make some of the hard choices and sacrifices that need to be made before the inevitable crunch.
What would be your suggestions to get the message out there?
VMarcHart wrote:I read a couple of postings regarding talking with co-workers. Be careful, fellow PO members. You don't want to lose your job right now.
I'm in the same situation. It should be easy to talk to my peers, right? No! I work with the "elite". Mostly white, mostly male, all highly-educated. How hard is it to talk facts and senses to them? Well, virtually impossible.
Don't lose your job now!
mefistofeles wrote:When I am at a gas station chatting with a stranger I usually enjoy the expression on their face when I tell them that our current fuel prices are cheap.
Cashmere wrote:mefisto -
I used to do that.
Stopped doing it.
One day I was mouthing off about how ridiculously cheap gas was at 4 dollars a gallon, we should all be glad, and this station won't be here in 10 years, and I got a look from one patron that I recognized as -
"I want to punch your f----ing teeth down your throat."
So I put that to bed - no more mouthing off.
Life is tough enough without creating enemies out of strangers.
btu2012 wrote:You don't. You let people around you find out on their own.
The denial at grassroots and political level will continue much longer that you expect.
HEADER_RACK wrote:Do yourself a favor. Worry about you and yours and damn the rest. They have already damned themselves and they like it that way. No amount of PO preaching is going to change it for them.
Homesteader wrote:In my experience people like to "learn" things on their own, not be "told" things by someone.
The best I've been able to do is wait for the other person to bring up gas prices etc. . have a conversation with them during which I mention I've learned a lot at this site called peakoil.com. Either they have the curiosity and motivation to follow up on their own or they don't.
If they don't then Darwin will figure out the rest.
At some point enough people will figure it out and want to do something productive about it. That is when I'm planning on putting energy into building community. Doing it sooner has been a waste of time, effort and quite possibly has done nothing more than make me and mine a target when it goes south.
I'm open to better methods however.
Cashmere wrote:This post should be a sticky entitled - - - "When you have the urge to try to inform a person about PO, read this first."
Very very few people seem to become PO aware based on being told and then exclaiming, "well I'll be!"
95% just ignore the information.
5% consider it.
1% or less follow up and become converts.
Even some converts don't take action.
In the end, Jack is right. People seem to resent the information. Like you're pissing on their birthday cake or something.
grampybone wrote:People believe what they want to believe. It's like talking to a brick wall sometimes. I have given up. All that matters now is me and mine. Screw the rest.
True, we love to help others. I help others understanding PO as my selfish PO preparation. The more people close to me are prepared, the more resources I have. That's why I don't give up educating others.allenwrench wrote:I think it is part of our nature to help others. Although some of us may like the educating of others in terms of PO theory for its shock value.
Just curious, what aspects of the report made him angry? He thought it was lies? He was not happy we are not doing anything about the problem? Or was it just the realization that things are going to get ugly fairly soon?pedalling_faster wrote:i emailed my brother a copy of the Hirsch Report. it made him angry. a lot of people around here have had similar experiences.
kublikhan wrote:Just curious, what aspects of the report made him angry? He thought it was lies? He was not happy we are not doing anything about the problem? Or was it just the realization that things are going to get ugly fairly soon?pedalling_faster wrote:i emailed my brother a copy of the Hirsch Report. it made him angry. a lot of people around here have had similar experiences.
Wouldn't a person with "maturity" rather know the hard truth rather then sweet lies.Pretorian wrote:...
well imagine you have a healthy friend in his 20s-30s. Normally his chance to die of cancer is 16%. You make some research, and discover that his mother and father are currently treating cancer, and that all 4 of his grandparents have died of cancer, and so did 8 of his great-grandpas. So you tell him that his chance of getting cancer and dying from it is about 100% , unless he' ll face some truck on a highway or blow his brains out earlier. What do you think his reaction will be? Did he ask you to do it?
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