TonyPrep wrote: yesplease wrote: TonyPrep wrote:
yesplease wrote:All I'm stating is that given how little we know about the future, especially that far into it, I don't think anyone is in a position to accurately predict what will happen to the human race or whatever we become.
I've never claimed 100% accuracy, yesplease. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
I never stated you claimed 100% accuracy, TonyPrep. And I would appreciate it if you would stop putting words in my mouth so to speak, which you have been doing through a significant portion of our interaction. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
You said "accurately", yesplease. Sorry for adding the redundant part, "100%".
How is 100% redundant? Accuracy means
the degree of correctness of a quantity, expression, etc.
And since there is no degree specified, any quantity isn't redundant.
TonyPrep wrote:However, it is simply redundant, and doesn't misrepresent what you said. Unless, of course, that you think less than 100 % accurate is the same as accurate, but, knowing you, I doubt that.
Like I stated, above, accuracy does not imply a degree. Since you didn't understand this, according to a definition of the word, you hardly seem to know me. Given how little you "know" of someone who you communicate with, I wonder if you'll have any accurate information as to the fate of humanity and the solar system.
TonyPrep wrote:You argued against my reasonable statement that the human species would not outlive the solar system. I claimed that it was reasonable, not a 100% mathematical certainty. So why go on about what can be accurately predicted?
Your statement is not reasonable unless you have some way of predicting the future. That is what I am stating. There need not be 100% accuracy, but considering that no one has predicted the future over much smaller time periods with even the slightest degree of accuracy, I doubt you can predict anything accurately over a larger time period.
TonyPrep wrote: yesplease wrote:
TonyPrep wrote:All I've said is that it is reasonable to state that the human species will not outlast the solar system and work on that assumption. If you don't think that's a reasonable statement, then you must be allowing for the possibility that our species will outlast the solar system.
It is not reasonable unless you have significant evidence that you can somehow accurately predict what will happen in the future.
There you go again with "accurate", after berating me for denying accuracy.
I am not berating you, I am simply stating that saying one can predict the future is not possible AFAIK. If you have evidence to the contrary, that shows you can in fact do this, please present it. Show me how you "know", not suspect or think, but "know" that humans won't outlive/outlast the solar system.
yesplease wrote:The only reasonable thing to say is that we don't know what will happen, which isn't to say that I'm allowing for the possibility that our species will outlast the solar system, just that I don't have any nutty notions about my abilities to predict the future.
Uh? Of course it's reasonable for me to say what I said. It may not be a certainty, but it is reasonable. You appear not to be arguing with it, in specific terms (i.e. you deliberately do not predict that our species will outlast the solar system), but get hot under the collar about a reasonable statement to the contrary.
It isn't reasonable unless you can predict the future. AFAIK, no one, including you and I, can. It doesn't have to be certain, simply reasonable. If you state you "know" the human species will not outlast/outlive the solar system, then I would like you see how you came to this conclusion. If it's true, you'll probably rock the scientific community to it's core.
TonyPrep wrote:Demise: a cessation of existence. Don't you have a dictionary or can you honestly not fit one of the meanings to the context of my post? Also, could you really not see that I was referring to the solar system in which you live? After all, the subject was the longevity of the human species.
There is no context, only what you state. How are you defining a cessation of existence? If the sun seeks to exist as we know it, is it the end of the the solar system? If we loose planets, is that the end of the solar system? What are your quantitative criteria?
That being said, if you wish to "fit" illogical "meanings" out of thin air that is fine by me... Perhaps you "know" this just like you "knew" what I was thinking or "implying" in the past.
TonyPrep wrote:we know that it can't outlast the solar system.
Jeez, I don't know why I bother. Like I said before, you may not want to hear it from me, but I still think brushing up on some logic/math would be a good idea. You may come out with a better idea of what you "know" and what you "don't know".