mkwin wrote:You need to be more realistic about our options.
By that, I think you mean abandoning sustainability because societies around the world won't like it. I would regard that as unrealistic (because it is ignoring reality).
mkwin wrote:It is a choice between coal and nuclear.
Or a run down of both
mkwin wrote:You may be willing to accept a powerdown and hope you can survive but 3-4 billion other people are definitely not.
That is where reality kicks in. It matters not that 3-4 billion people won't accept it if nature will not allow them to continue to have the aspirations and lifestyles that they do.
mkwin wrote:Unless nuclear is expanded, we will be burning every fossil fuel we can to keep the system going, gas hydrates, coal to liquids, coal-bed methane you name it, we are going to burn it. Personally, I would rather take on board the risks on a massive build-up of nuclear than risk drastic run away climate change that turns the planet in to a perpetual desert and kills 95% of the species on this planet.
Well, that's a stark choice and I'd probably side with you if those were our only choices. Unfortunately, so long as most people think that there are no other options, the more likely it is that we will continue down the unsustainable route to collapse.
mkwin wrote:Nuclear is not perfect but it is not bad either. Hopefully solar will be competitive within ten years and we can cover the planet in nano solar film but until then we need to replace coal and gas with a solid nuclear base.
We don't need to do that. Let's step back, figure out how to live sustainably and, if we can, move towards that, which may mean we don't need much generated power.
Look, it's quite simple really, either we adapt to living sustainably or our society collapses. That might be within our lifetime (timescale is not a given, just the outcome, for an unsustainable society). Just because people don't want limits does not mean that they are not there and can be ignored.
Anyway, this is getting off on a tangent. I merely stated that nuclear is unsustainable and a red book will not make it so, nor will it allow uranium to be mined and processed at any rate required for as long as is desired.