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Unread postby MadScientist » Thu 10 Jun 2004, 10:41:54

might have something to do with why the majority of our military is focused on the persian gulf. And the majority of our intelligence operations are focused on oil/terrorism. If the neocons dont realize anything else, they realize the scenario you describe.
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Chess

Unread postby EnviroEngr » Thu 10 Jun 2004, 12:58:44

Anyone for a little game of laser and cannon assisted chess? < :twisted: >
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yep

Unread postby Cool Hand Linc » Thu 10 Jun 2004, 13:21:21

We got guns and food and they got oil. We need the oil to make the fertilizer to grow the food. Not a good picture anyway it goes. Many of them do seem to hate us.

On 9/11 I was at a special training class on root cause analysis. I heard news about what was happening as I went to the class. During the class we took extra breaks so we could watch the news.

I distincely remember looking out the windows of the loby and seeing a woman dressed in a burka walk past the loby with a big grin on her face. She was smiling from ear to ear.

That picture and what it means sticks in my mind. They really do have a prejudice that is religiously ingrained.
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Unread postby Pops » Thu 10 Jun 2004, 13:33:25

Actually the Hatfields have bullets AND food – even with no oil from the gulf they won’t starve. The McCoys on the other hand have oil, no food, and a huge young generation used to subsidized living; they need the Hatfields money as much (or more) as the Hatfields need oil.

The other thing you overlook is that the McCoys also hold the note to the Hatfield’s farm. The Hatfields have been borrowing money from the McCoys for years. If the McCoys stick it to the Hatfields the whole shebang comes tumbling down.

Unless Old Man McCoy gets bumped off by one of the crazy youngun’s that oil will flow.

During the embargo the McCoys learned a lesson, when price rises dramatically, demand drops dramatically. They are just as hooked on the ol’ bubblin’ crude as the rest of the mountain and don’t want to upset the cart.
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Unread postby smiley » Thu 10 Jun 2004, 16:16:56

Time to wake up to reality

Why should they give the Hatfields oil to make bullets (while they use McCoys backyard for target practice).

In case you haven't noticed. There is a new kid on the block.

Saudi Arabia, China sign natural gas deal
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/20040 ... 6844.shtml

Fueling the dragon: China's race into the oil market
http://www.iags.org/china.htm

Saudi Arabia and China discuss oil sales and joint investments
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/company/cns41658.htm

Report: China, Iran sign US$20b gas deal
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/do ... 316354.htm

India Plans Iran Oil Field Talks, Joining Japan, China, Russia
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pi ... efer=japan

China-Egypt strategic cooperation to benefit world peacehttp://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/nta40877.htm

China increases Sudan oil stake
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3040111.stm

China-Sudan Relationship
http://www.vitrade.com/china_sudan.htm

China's Sudan project gone into operation
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/company/cna93727.htm

China, Oman to Cooperation in Oil, Gas Sector
http://china.org.cn/english/MATERIAL/11836.htm

China and Oman to expand cooperation in oil and gas sectorhttp://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntm12252.htm

Not only has it plenty of food to spare

http://www.historylink101.com/lessons/f ... capita.htm

but it is also able to turn the oil into nice gimmicks instead of bullets.
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Unread postby smiley » Thu 10 Jun 2004, 16:44:23

Oh and about the gun part.

China has one gun, but its a really big one. It's called US-debt.

http://mondediplo.com/2003/10/09debt

If China sells their stake in US treasuries it would be like igniting an atomic bomb under the US-financial system. It would simply collapse in a matter of hours.

For that reason alone the US cannot afford itself to offend China by messing with their Mid-East affairs.
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Re: yep

Unread postby MattSavinar » Thu 10 Jun 2004, 18:09:01

MissingLink wrote:We got guns and food and they got oil. We need the oil to make the fertilizer to grow the food. Not a good picture anyway it goes. Many of them do seem to hate us.

On 9/11 I was at a special training class on root cause analysis. I heard news about what was happening as I went to the class. During the class we took extra breaks so we could watch the news.

I distincely remember looking out the windows of the loby and seeing a woman dressed in a burka walk past the loby with a big grin on her face. She was smiling from ear to ear.

That picture and what it means sticks in my mind. They really do have a prejudice that is religiously ingrained.


Two things:

1. My best friend in law school was a Muslim, burkha wearing woman. She didn't leave her apratment for a week following 9-11. Why do you think that was? Maybe because she was scared shitless by folks like yourself who make ASSumptions.

2. There could be a million reasons she was smiling. Maybe she got some genuinely good news. Perhaps somebody in her family had a baby or just got proposed to or who knows what.

800 of our troops have been killed. But I see people smiling all the time. Reagan just died. Are they smililng because of they hate Reagan or because maybe they just heard a joke?

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Unread postby dwenergyman » Thu 10 Jun 2004, 21:32:10

It's already begun folks. We're just not being told the truth. Lester Brown contends that China will need US grain imports as bad as we need China to support our inflated dollar. http://earth-policy.org/

Listen to the unwelcome guests tell us the truth.

Unwelcome Guests places 9/11 in context of the planet's dwindling oil resources and the closed door decisions about how to deal with the phenomenon of peak oil that have apparently already been made by the Ameican power elites - to defend corporate capitalism at any cost, even if that means species extinction. Featuring Richard Heinberg, Greg Palast, Mike Ruppert, and Daniel Hopsicker. Part I (59:30) | Part II (59:30) courtesy of Radio For All. Transcript of Speech by Dick Cheney to which Heinberg refers.

http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/
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Unread postby MrPC » Thu 10 Jun 2004, 23:45:04

dwenergyman wrote:It's already begun folks. We're just not being told the truth. Lester Brown contends that China will need US grain imports as bad as we need China to support our inflated dollar.


If China wants grain, they can send some ships to Portland (Vic), Appleton (Vic) or Port Kembla (NSW) in Australia - we have shitloads, and there's not going to ba Natural Gas shortfall down here until long after everyone else's has run short.

Australia's grain output for 2004/2005 is forecast at 36.7 million tonnes according to ABARE, and that's in a drought, with the farmers thinking that there's too much (subsidized) competition in North America and Europe skewing their market (hence not trying terribly hard).
The purpose of human life revolves around an endless need to extract ever increasing amounts of carbon out of the ground and then release it into the atmosphere.
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Unread postby jaydee » Fri 11 Jun 2004, 01:59:27

Your post about the woman in the burqa is incredibly insensitive. You must realize that if one Muslim woman was happy about the attacks, just because she is Muslim doesn't mean she is representative. It's no fairer than if I pointed to the Americans who went around shooting dark-skinned gas station attendants in the days thereafter and concluded that all Americans had a deep, visceral hatred of Muslims...
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Unread postby MrPC » Fri 11 Jun 2004, 02:08:50

MissingLink: If a woman is wearing a Burqa, you would not have been able to see her mouth.

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Maybe you're thinking of a Hijab

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Unread postby WaterBearer » Fri 11 Jun 2004, 10:59:44

Or maybe someone drew a smiley face on her burqa?
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Unread postby Ender » Sun 20 Jun 2004, 03:05:24

Leaf wrote:Matt, Dont be so hard, this is America and he is entitled to his opinion.


No, it's not, actually, it's the internet.

But he's still entitled to his opinion.
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Unread postby Ender » Sun 20 Jun 2004, 03:10:41

Pops wrote:Unless Old Man McCoy gets bumped off by one of the crazy youngun’s that oil will flow.

During the embargo the McCoys learned a lesson, when price rises dramatically, demand drops dramatically. They are just as hooked on the ol’ bubblin’ crude as the rest of the mountain and don’t want to upset the cart.


Yep. The oil will flow because:

1. Those that have it need the money

2. Those that want it know it's cheaper to just buy it than to go invading everyone.

(What would an invasion of Iran do to the market right now? Losing Iranian production would being the whole house of cards crashing down, SPR or not).

3. In the end people who have a scarce resource have to make it available for sale.


If Uranium were oil, Australia would be Iran, Iraq and Saudi combined. Just how long would we be able to sit on a third of the world's uranium and say "It is not our policy to extract it"?
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Unread postby stayathomedad » Sat 16 Oct 2004, 20:21:20

Ender: do not worry. Uranium will be close to the next oil. Just a matter of time before we liquefy coal and the like...not to make energy, but materials (remember the coal chemistry of old?) and use the nuclear power to generate the energy to do it all. Hang in there pal, you are soaking in it, just do not believe it yet....and you guys have coal as well. Hmmm, I think I am going to move to Australia.
It just gets better every day....
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Unread postby chris-h » Sun 17 Oct 2004, 03:58:19

WaterBearer wrote:Or maybe someone drew a smiley face on her burqa?


:lol: :lol:
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Mon 18 Oct 2004, 20:16:11

smiley wrote:Oh and about the gun part.

China has one gun, but its a really big one. It's called US-debt.

http://mondediplo.com/2003/10/09debt

If China sells their stake in US treasuries it would be like igniting an atomic bomb under the US-financial system. It would simply collapse in a matter of hours.

For that reason alone the US cannot afford itself to offend China by messing with their Mid-East affairs.

It would be like an atomic bomb in that both sides would be destroyed. China would collapse without the incoming capital from the U.S.

1.2 billion people (going on 1.3 billion) to feed and farmland in China is shrinking
at a huge rate due to the growth of cities, desertification, and soil
erosion. China is losing 540,000 hectares of farmland per year.
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Re: 2008 OVER 50% Crude, will come from People who HATE the

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Wed 20 Oct 2004, 02:12:09

Leaf wrote:With the US policy of the Mid East most of those nations don't like the USA
Leaf

It's not just the MidEast, the policy of the US (and UK and others) in oil-rich countries around the world has been (and still is) to install some king or dictator and give him protection and a slice of the profits in as long as they open up the country to exploitation. World's biggest protection racket.

Decades ago these regimes found they could appeal to nationalist sentiment and increase their power by nationalizing the international oil companies and setting up their own state oil companies. The US,UK,etc. didn't like this but as long as the oil kept flowing they let it happen.

The problem today is that the state oil companies don't have the capital or technology to squeeze out the remaining oil and the governments and population are not keen to invite the international companies back in, which would essentially mean selling the oilfields to foreigners.
Leaf wrote:.They knew in 1971 the USA peaked and look what they did then.

They don't have to do anything after peak, except not be in any hurry to sell out their resources.
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