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sameu wrote:luckily increased number of hurricanes due to higer sea temperatures aren't causing any economical damage. it's rather simple, either you restore the balance, or nature does it for you and nature doesn't give a rats ass about fucking economics
sameu wrote:no no, you can buy 'clean air' in these developing countries, but only by investing in clean technolgies in these countries and tell me, howcome all the other countries who signed kyoto aren't whining about economical damage? maybe they're not so conservative and more inventing, you tell me.
You didn't answer my question. No surprise. Again, why are they exemp if emission reduction is truly the goal? and yes, some developing countries like china are excused, I'd like to see otherwhise, but, the western countries already have thad heir more than fair share of polluting don't you agree? So don't complain about others 'privileges' for the moment, when the united states historically burned more fossils then china or india together.
sameu wrote:yes yes, the poor kid recieves a lollypop and the fat kid whines about it
but hey, as long as those hurricanes hit the us and not europe
Rabbit wrote:Could it be that the reason Bush did not sign the Kyoto Protocol is that he knew the world was running out of oil anyway? Maybe he was thinking that it will be forced to reduce greenhouse gas emissions simply due to a lack of oil to burn and/or a significant reduction in population.
Number one, with your current avatar you run a high risk to being banned
Climate and Atmosphere — CO2 : Total emissions (source: WRI)
Units: Thousand metric tons of carbon dioxide
Asia (excluding Middle East) 7,837,017.0
North America 6,283,458.0
Middle East & North Africa 1,531,548.0
Central America & Caribbean 507,456.0
South America 796,871.0
Sub-Saharan Africa 492,131.0
donshan wrote:I am no expert on the Kyoto negotiations. However as I understand the US position, China, India, and the other countries have to sign on to do something too.
I am firmly in the camp that mankind is in this boat together and a Global solution to CO2 emissions is urgently needed. However everyone in the boat must do at least something to help. Some effort by China and India is required too.
I have not been following this, so maybe China and India have done something. If so what?
fluffy wrote:First, you should try dividing your figures by population. That itself would answer most of your questions - the US per capita emissions are vastly higher then those of India or China.
It is perfectly possible for the US to reduce CO2 emissions by around 60-70% whilst eliminating oil and NG imports, and at the same time maintaining current lifestyles. However, that would require all sides to act in a mature and responsable manner, and actually acknowledge reality and science.
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