pstarr wrote:the nazis invented that coal gasification process during WWII. They lost the war. questions?
Sparaxis wrote:sicophiliac wrote:whats the catch to this technology ?
Its EROEI is less than 1 in most applications
Sparaxis wrote:As a measure to replace a primary energy resource, yes, it is only a stopgap. You can't continue to convert finite energy forms to others to feed infinite growth.
sicophiliac wrote:I say we worry about climate change later VS peak oil now.
If we take drastic action to stop as much use of fossil fuels as possible, we can only improve public health, climate change and the general quality of life. From there, PO should become academic: if we don't use them, the quantity remaining no longer matters.
Caoimhan wrote:Well, all those posters here who seem to be in favor of a mass die-off of human beings should be in favor of using as much fossil-fuel as possible, then. Between the air quality issues, coastal flooding, disease vectors, and wars for the last dregs of resources, we should see quite a nice die-off.
Caoimhan wrote:Well, all those posters here who seem to be in favor of a mass die-off of human beings should be in favor of using as much fossil-fuel as possible, then. Between the air quality issues, coastal flooding, disease vectors, and wars for the last dregs of resources, we should see quite a nice die-off.
sicophiliac wrote: Anyways as for climate change I have heard that even if all greenhouse gas emissions stopped today the earth would continue to warm for centuries untill it corrected itself. So unless we develope some technologies to reverse this trend all the tree hugging and wind power (which of course I have no problem with) and all that will be useless.
This is right around the corner while climate change would be a slower more long term process. Now having an instinct of self perservation I say we put the environment on the back burner and do what it takes to get through peak oil.
sicophiliac wrote:So is this now a global warming forum and not a peak oil forum ? I am firmiliar with the north atlantic current and the implications regarding it. However wouldnt the glaciers grow back if the current shuts off and cools the region thus the pattern would correct itself? Anyways...I am also aware of the implications of peak oil too.. which problem do we choose to tackle first? Many here claim peak oil is just a year or so away.. anybody going to say that a catastrophic climate change is right around the corner too? Do we kill two birds with one stone and go with all renewables and nuclear power? Great idea but I do beleive well need some transitional fossil fuels and what not to get us through peak. I also beleive that there are alot more maybes and unknowns with global warming and climate change vs peak oil. Peak oil is based on our rate of consumption and production of a finite resource we can more or less calculate how much we have. The earths climate however is a much much more complex issue and who knows what'll happen ? We cant always accurately predict the weather forcast for more then a few days out.. how can we predict the changes in ocean currents, climate or rainfall patterns decades out ?
sicophiliac wrote:Anyways as for climate change I have heard that even if all greenhouse gas emissions stopped today the earth would continue to warm for centuries untill it corrected itself. So unless we develope some technologies to reverse this trend all the tree hugging and wind power (which of course I have no problem with) and all that will be useless.
venky wrote:I dont know when this fall in prices will end, but $40 seems unlikely, let alone $20.
lorenzo wrote:Hi, I read in the following article that Gas-to-liquids are economic when oil is above US$20.
GTL On Verge of Coming-of-Age?
http://www.aapg.org/explorer/2003/09sep/gastoliquid.cfm
Does anyone know whether this is vaguely correct? And if this is true, then why are there not more GTL plants coming on line? Is it because the industry thinks that there's enough conventional oil out there? Or because it thinks that oil prices will fall steeply over the medium to long term?
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