dohboi wrote:Ibon asked: "Are societies capable of humility in reference to demands they place on resources? "
I think that many animistic-based societies have at least some of that humility.
onlooker wrote:Following up on my post, other than germ theory, population levels and their rapid rise closely coincide with the advent of the fossil fuel age. So, 1900 is the boundary line. So, the end of the FF age should strongly influence a reversion back to 1 to 2 billion of us. However, given the degraded nature of our ecosystems and biosphere , that number should be fairly lower. Perhaps 500 million
Newfie wrote:It also seems to have a hidden background assumption that our purpose in life, as a species, is to acquire knowledge. I’m good with that.
onlooker wrote:Ibon related to your post about religion and spirituality. I believe it can and will return in spades. Because of the harrowing nature of what is to come, people will seek answers, assistance and solace from a higher being/religion. And as for materialism well that will be rightly singled out as a cause of this great Calamity. But even more so the future world will embody constraints especially to consumption of all kinds
lpetrich wrote:Newfie wrote:It also seems to have a hidden background assumption that our purpose in life, as a species, is to acquire knowledge. I’m good with that.
I hadn't thought of that. I had in mind knowing how our technology works and being able to do technical sorts of things. But to do such things means acquiring various sorts of knowledge and experience, so increasing our knowledge may still be thought of as a Good Thing.
Newfie wrote:If it’s so deeply ingrained why are we pulling around 7 billion extra souls?
That question would seem to imply a second purpose to life, to multiply as much as possible, no matter what.
These seem to be two contradictory goals we have not reconciled.
Newfie wrote:Well that begs the question... what is freedom, what does it consist of?
Freedom to carry a gun, freedom to reproduce, freedom to drink clean water, freedom to think are all different things.
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