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Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 4

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Saudi Arabia’s Ambitious Plans for Nuclear Energy

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 17 Jan 2018, 11:27:42

It’s not clear that the plans will work as expected in terms of the announced timeline of completing 16 reactors (17.6 Gwe) by 2032. The cost of the program is close to $90 billion which over a period of more than two decades for a feasible schedule would involve a significant diversion of oil revenue even at $100/BBL. The current price is about $60/bbl and has been in that range since January 2015. Key issues for success are adequate sustained financing, supply chain logistics and reliability, as well as cost control, for three separate sites, and managing the fleet of reactors once they are built. The demand for long lead time components for a new build of this size would raise the prices for them on a global scale. The Reuters wire service reports that Saudi Arabia plans in April or May 2018


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Re: Saudi Arabia’s Ambitious Plans for Nuclear Energy

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:45:46

AdamB wrote:
It’s not clear that the plans will work as expected in terms of the announced timeline of completing 16 reactors (17.6 Gwe) by 2032. The cost of the program is close to $90 billion which over a period of more than two decades for a feasible schedule would involve a significant diversion of oil revenue even at $100/BBL. The current price is about $60/bbl and has been in that range since January 2015. Key issues for success are adequate sustained financing, supply chain logistics and reliability, as well as cost control, for three separate sites, and managing the fleet of reactors once they are built. The demand for long lead time components for a new build of this size would raise the prices for them on a global scale. The Reuters wire service reports that Saudi Arabia plans in April or May 2018


Saudi Arabia’s Ambitious Plans for Nuclear Energy


Right now KSA uses oil, and in the more modern facilities natural gas, to generate all of their electricity except for the paltry level of solar and wind they installed to make greenwashing happen. By converting their grid over to nuclear they will free up around a MM/bbl/d of crude for export or other use, which seems like a money maker to me.
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Re: Saudi Arabia’s Ambitious Plans for Nuclear Energy

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:53:00

Tanada wrote:Right now KSA uses oil, and in the more modern facilities natural gas, to generate all of their electricity except for the paltry level of solar and wind they installed to make greenwashing happen. By converting their grid over to nuclear they will free up around a MM/bbl/d of crude for export or other use, which seems like a money maker to me.

Absolutely.

And as a side effect, if it provides them the fissionable materials to have nukes for defense from various ME countries, all the better for them (from their perspective, anyway).

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me at all if, behind the scenes, they already have or have access to (as Plant commented on) the nukes they need to defend themselves. After all, look how much economic interdependency they and the US have had. And will continue to have at least for quite a while (depending, perhaps on how things like oil fracking and transportation electrification play out, which are far from certain as to extent and timing in coming decades). So as a "friend" of the US, I could easily see them having tacit permission, and perhaps the military supplies/tech. to do this already.

It's not as if bad actors don't already have nukes, now is it?
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Re: Saudi Arabia May Go Nuclear Because of Obama’s Iran Deal

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 17 Jan 2018, 13:12:53

Well YES, they do. However, KSA is not on friendly terms with Israel, any more than is Iran. A nuclear war in the ME is looming, as Israel certainly has nukes already. Such a war - or even the threat of such a war - could well be the trigger event for the final oil panic, locking us into the downward spiral of more expensive and increasingly rare petroleum supplies.

Maybe all of us waited too long to jump from the oncoming train, and ran out of time.
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Re: Saudi Arabia May Go Nuclear Because of Obama’s Iran Deal

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 17 Jan 2018, 13:22:48

KaiserJeep wrote:Well YES, they do. However, KSA is not on friendly terms with Israel, any more than is Iran. A nuclear war in the ME is looming, as Israel certainly has nukes already. Such a war - or even the threat of such a war - could well be the trigger event for the final oil panic, locking us into the downward spiral of more expensive and increasingly rare petroleum supplies.

Maybe all of us waited too long to jump from the oncoming train, and ran out of time.

Well, the fact that the train exists and should be feared has been well known since at least 1962 (Cuban Missile Crisis.)

But exactly what are people supposed to do about it? Live in a doomstead? Write their favorite congress-critters? Vote for politicians who promise peace (NEITHER side in the US, given BOTH sides' support for the military industrial complex, despite what their rhetoric to voters might be)?

It's one thing to try to prepare oneself financially, so an event like 2008-2009 stings instead of mangles one's finances. By the way, such preparation helps in terms of if, say, gasoline gets to $10 or even $20 a gallon, forcing society to change instead of just talk about it.

But preventing nuclear war? When the US "intelligence" networks don't even know where all the nukes are? I think that's outside the pay grade of 99.9999% of ordinary human beings.

I'm NOT disagreeing with the concern or being snippy -- I just honestly don't know how a normal person is supposed to (realistically) meaningfully do anything about it.
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Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 17 Jan 2018, 13:36:57

OS, I never said there was anything that could be done about the situation, by any one of us or the Donald for that matter. The conflict in the ME is at least 3000 years old.

What you can do is hang on for the ride, and hope to be both not in a target zone and not downwind from one.

I was in my early teens when they warned us not to eat the snow which was contaminated with Strontium 90 from above-ground nuclear weapons testing. That was with the Cuban Missile Crisis fresh in our minds.

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Re: 'Doomsday Clock' to stand still amid nuclear tensions

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Thu 01 Feb 2018, 13:08:23

Trump is leading us into nuclear war, says Daniel Ellsberg (and he should know, he used to plan them) (1 hour CBC radio interview)
A "Doomsday Machine" has loomed over humanity for decades, according to the man who once helped U.S. presidents plan for nuclear war.

In his new book, The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner, Daniel Ellsberg details how a nuclear strike during the Cold War would have clouded the earth's atmosphere and killed hundreds of millions.

Far more people still have access to launch codes than the public realize, he said, and it is only through luck that we avoided nuclear winter.

Not only does that threat still exist, but for the first time since the Cuban missile crisis, "an American president is threatening imminent attack on a nuclear-weapons state," he said. "On a state that can retaliate with nuclear weapons."

"I think there's a very significant chance — I would say better than even — that this president does mean to launch some kind of an attack on North Korea," he said, "that will lead to a response that will then cause a two-sided nuclear war."

"It would kill millions of people in the first day or week, which would be more violence than the human species has ever seen in a day or week."

"I think nothing at this moment is of higher importance than there not be a war with North Korea."
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The Widening Saudi–Iran Divide

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 11 Feb 2018, 21:13:59

The conflict between Saudi Arabia and Iran marks a deepening division between regional powers and international hegemons in the Persian Gulf. The Saudis and Iranians have to learn to cooperate or risk further confrontation. By Seyed Hossein Mousavian New regional and international coalitions are forming with respect to the Middle East and Persian Gulf. An alliance of Donald Trump-led America, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates faces a new coalition of Iran, Russia, Iraq, Bashar Al-Assad controlled-Syria, Hezbollah and grassroots regional forces such as the Popular Mobilization Forces in Iraq and the Syrian Defense Forces. The geopolitical competition between these opposing sides can more specifically be described as between the regional states seeking U.S. security guarantees and the creation and consolidation of a U.S.-led regional security order, and those states—such as Iran, Russia, and Syria—who despite their interests not wholly


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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 06 Mar 2018, 15:03:28

Here is a nice cheerful article for your Tuesday! Link below quote.

Vladimir Putin Is Campaigning on the Threat of Nuclear War

Vladimir Putin belongs to that category of world leaders who lie all the time. His lies may not be as flamboyant as those of his American counterpart, but they can be just as outlandish. In his state-of-the-federation speech, on Thursday, Putin told some howlers about demographics, the social safety net, and Russian military might. He got a lot of applause, especially when he declared that the world would have to listen to Russia, now that the nation had armed itself to the teeth.

As with all Russian political rituals, this speech wasn’t what its name implied, or what it might have seemed. The country’s constitution requires the President to report back to parliament on an annual basis, but last year Putin skipped the address altogether. This year’s speech was not so much a report—after all, the parliament reports to Putin, not the other way around—as a stump speech. On March 18th, Russia will hold an event that it calls an election, which it isn’t, considering that its execution is tightly controlled, and its outcome is preordained. But, still, an “election” day has a way of focussing Russian politics, or what passes for politics, in response to the perceived threat to Putin’s continued power.

Where might such a threat come from? Obviously not from Russian voters; their actual votes are separated from the outcome of the so-called election by layers of bureaucrats, who insure that the vote outcome matches the perceived expectations of their higher-ups. Nor does the threat come from Russian opposition activists, most of whom have been killed, jailed, or forced into exile. The threat, judging from Putin’s speech, comes from the United States.

For the first hour and ten minutes of his speech, Putin seemed bored by the entire exercise: he droned on, looking down at the prepared text, frequently doubling back to correct a word he’d misread. But, when he got to the security section of the talk, Putin became animated—to the extent that he is capable of becoming animated. In the next forty-seven minutes, as he extolled the successes of the Russian arms industry, Putin looked up at the audience frequently, added words for emphasis, showed video clip after video clip, and often paused for applause. This was the heart of his speech.

The narrative he offered has long been familiar. In this story, Russia was badly wounded by losing its Soviet colonies; was further slighted by the West, which refused to take it seriously; and is now staging a comeback as a superpower. Some of the details were new: Putin claimed that Russia had developed and tested several kinds of weapons, including nuclear ones, that the rest of the world still sees only in its wildest dreams. To illustrate the point, Putin showed a computer animation of missiles hitting the coast of Florida. (This video, as some Russian journalists quickly noticed, was itself not new; it was first shown on Russian state television in 2007.) Putin noted that he couldn’t show pictures of the actual missiles, presumably because they are top-secret. Military experts on both sides of the Atlantic have suggested that another reason they couldn’t be shown is that they do not exist.

Whether the weapons exist, though, is entirely beside the point. A fake state-of-the-federation report, on the eve of a fake election, filled with false statements on a variety of topics, does not even pretend to describe reality; rather, it provides a direct look at the speaker’s imagination. In Putin’s view of the world, Russia is facing an existential threat, and this threat emanates from the United States. Putin believes that the threat has grown in recent months. While Americans debate whether—and to what extent—their President is the Russian President’s puppet, Putin sees Trump as an aggressive and unpredictable adversary. In the year since Trump became President, the United States has increased the number of Russians who are under sanctions; functional diplomatic relations between the two countries have been stripped to a minimum; and America’s nuclear posture has grown distinctly more aggressive. Putin cited President Trump’s national-security strategy, which he sees as setting a lower bar for a first nuclear strike than does the Russian military doctrine. (This point is debatable.) Putin stressed—as he has before, but with even greater force, and at greater length—that Russia will not hesitate to defend itself with nuclear weapons.

The Russian President, in other words, is campaigning on the promise of nuclear annihilation. Whether or not the new weapons he described in this stump speech are real is immaterial; the old ones are more than sufficient to cause a nuclear holocaust.


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World War 3 Is Approaching

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 14 Mar 2018, 21:07:38

“In a nuclear war the “collateral damage” would be the life of all humanity.” — Fidel Castro The Russians, in their anxiety to show the West how friendly they are, left Washington with a toe hold in Syria, which Washington is using to reopen the war. The Russians’ failure to finish the job has left Washington’s foreign mercenaries, misrepresented in the American presstitute media as “freedom fighters,” in a Syrian enclave. To get the war going again, Washington has to find a way to come to the aid of its mercenaries. The Trump regime has found, or so it thinks, its excuse in the revival of the Obama regime’s fake charge of Syrian use of chemical weapons. This made-up lie by the Obama regime was put to rest by Russian intervention that made sure there were no Syrian chemical weapons. Indeed, if .


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Re: WWIII is looking imminent...

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 14 Mar 2018, 21:11:48

Note of irony...WW3 approaching in a thread going back a decade when WW3 was claimed imminent. If that isn't exactly the kind of rinse and recycle game of peak oil, I don't know what is. Also, notice the domain name of the recycled claim of WW3. A lost LATOCer perhaps, a fan of Duncan, or maybe even a the peak oiler who has been claiming the same thing for more than a decade now?
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Sun 22 Apr 2018, 22:03:46

There are rumors in the www net planet x will hit earth today
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 22 Apr 2018, 22:24:32

The Newyorker wrote:Vladimir Putin belongs to that category of world leaders who lie all the time.

You mean to tell me that the Russian hookers aren't the most beautiful in the world? Hope I can get a refund on my plane tickets. :oops:
I thought as he owns a controlling interest and gets a cut from every (shall we say entertainment establishment) in Russia he would know the quality of his merchandise and was just marketing his product to Trump back when Trump took the Miss Universe show to Moscow.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 24 Apr 2018, 19:32:40

vt, you get both the cynic-of-the-month award and a special endorsement for sarcasm. But then perhaps comparing the personalities of both national leaders to pimps is to insult actual pimps.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 24 Apr 2018, 19:51:21

KaiserJeep wrote:vt, you get both the cynic-of-the-month award and a special endorsement for sarcasm. But then perhaps comparing the personalities of both national leaders to pimps is to insult actual pimps.
Why thank you and all the members of the Peak oil Academy for this totally deserved award. Now that I have a "Golden pump jack" I will have to put in a fireplace and mantle to have a place to display it.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby asg70 » Tue 24 Apr 2018, 21:59:54

M_B_S wrote:There are rumors in the www net planet x will hit earth today
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Well, that one came and went without much fuss. What else is new?

BOLD PREDICTIONS
-Billions are on the verge of starvation as the lockdown continues. (yoshua, 5/20/20)

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-Short welched on a bet and should be shunned.
-Frequent-flyers should not cry crocodile-tears over climate-change.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby M_B_S » Wed 25 Apr 2018, 02:33:34

asg70 wrote:
M_B_S wrote:There are rumors in the www net planet x will hit earth today
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Well, that one came and went without much fuss. What else is new?


You and I are still alife and are getting older ... lol :-D :idea:

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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 04 Oct 2018, 17:12:46

White House Hobbles Nuclear Weapons Safety Agency

As Trump calls for new bomb production, the administration cuts safety board access to nuclear facilities

A small government safety organization tasked with protecting the workers who construct America’s nuclear arsenal and with preventing radioactive disasters in the communities where they live is under new siege in Washington.

The Trump administration, acting in an open partnership with the profit-making contractors that control the industrial sites where U.S. nuclear bombs are made and stored, has enacted new rules that limit the authority and reach of the Defense Nuclear Facilities Safety Board, created by Congress in 1988 amid broad public concerns over civil and military nuclear safety lapses.

The administration’s new rules eliminate the board’s authority to oversee workplace protections for roughly 39,000 nuclear workers and also block its unfettered access to nearly three-quarters of the nuclear weapons-related sites that it can now inspect.

In a separate move, the board’s new acting Republican chairman has proposed to put more inspectors in the field but to cut its overall staff by nearly a third, including letting some of its supporting technical experts in Washington go. The board already has one of the smallest oversight staffs of any federal agency.

The twin assaults on the operations and authority of the safety board come just as the Energy Department, acting at President Trump’s direction, is embarking on the most aggressive era of nuclear weapons production since the Cold War. Trump has called for one new nuclear bomb to be produced immediately, and for the production of another new bomb to be studied.

... But one of the board’s Democratic members, Joyce Connery, has said “this seems to be the perfect storm for accidents to happen, and this is a time where we should be doubling down on our efforts on nuclear safety.”

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Trump May Restart Nuclear Tests in the Nevada Desert

Since 1993, the Department of Energy has had to be ready to conduct a nuclear test within two to three years if ordered by the President. Late last year, the Trump Administration ordered the department to be ready, for the first time, to conduct a short-notice nuclear test in as little as six months.

That is not enough time to install the warhead in shafts as deep as 4,000 ft. and affix all the proper technical instrumentation and diagnostics equipment.

But the purpose of such a detonation, which the Administration labels “a simple test, with waivers and simplified processes,” would not be to ensure that the nation’s most powerful weapons were in operational order, or to check whether a new type of warhead worked, a TIME review of nuclear-policy documents has found. Rather, a National Nuclear Security Administration official tells TIME, such a test would be “conducted for political purposes.”

In addition to putting the Nevada testing ground on notice, he has signed off on a $1.2 trillion plan to overhaul the entire nuclear-weapons complex. Trump has authorized a new nuclear warhead, the first in 34 years. He is funding research and development on a mobile medium-range missile. The new weapon, if tested or deployed, would be prohibited by a 30-year-old Cold War nuclear-forces agreement with Russia (which has already violated the agreement). And for the first time, the U.S. is expanding the scenarios under which the President would consider going nuclear to “significant non-nuclear strategic attacks,” including major cyberattacks.

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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby GHung » Thu 04 Oct 2018, 18:38:12

Freakin' mad man. Pegs my doom-o-meter.
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Re: Nuclear War, Dieoffs, and Doomer Porn! Pt. 2

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 04 Oct 2018, 21:13:56

GHung wrote:Freakin' mad man. Pegs my doom-o-meter.

Don't Panic!

Energy Secretary Oops (AKA Rick Perry) has everything under control.
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