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Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Re: Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Unread postby asg70 » Fri 29 Dec 2017, 21:37:10

Ibon, you're a moderator. Use the ban-hammer and the discourse would improve.
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Re: Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 29 Dec 2017, 21:55:56

KaiserJeep wrote:
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No need to get caught with our pants down.


No, but there have been days lately when I thought that would be a welcome change to the routine.

I have fallen into a routine of waiting. Right now, I am waiting for the pool removal guys to give me a completion date. Then I'll wait for the landscapers. Then the numerous waits of selling a house. Then moving. We donated most of the MIL's stuff already, but her house is still furnished. We'll have to donate a lot more just to move in, and in any case we have to move into two bedrooms from three.

Waiting for Doom is a diversion from real waiting for my life to unfold through the next step.


Waiting, doing a lot of that lately. We are stuck in. Ergo Beach, FL waiting for a weather window to cross the Gulf Stream. MAYBE late next week.

Back OT as. 67 yo I’m not personally worried about cc. It may not even hit my kids hard, grandkids? Maybe. Perhaps the greatest short term risk is destabilization of Europe due to mass migration. I think a global financial collapse is a bigger short therm threat.

We have prepped for cc by paving the way for our kids to move to a better place should they see the need. But that’s uo to them.

We’ve prepped for financial collapse by having a wide based portfolio: rental property, real property, savings, 401k, social security. We may take a hit but are probably more diversified than the vast majority.

But to my, and somewhat Ibon’s point, what is the purpose of this endless conversation if we don’t eventually use it to somehow improve our situation?

For me, and it sounds others, we have convienced ourselves it’s real and will happen.

Will cc effect your life, or your kids?
If so how will you mitigate for the anticipated impact?
If not is there some other threat that you expect will impact you?
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Re: Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Fri 29 Dec 2017, 22:04:35

I'm an absolute believer in the Doom coming when we run out of cheap FF's. Just how fast is the real question, because I remember both $0.189/g and $5.699/g gasoline, but that span of 30X price occurred over 45 years, there never was any great price shock.

About CC I am not so worried. YES, it's a concern. We'll survive, especially in the USA. Any country that accepts unlimited refugees from other countries is however doomed IMHO.
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Re: Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 30 Dec 2017, 06:51:52

asg70 wrote:Ibon, you're a moderator. Use the ban-hammer and the discourse would improve.


It is not this site. It is the venue. Enough said
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Re: Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 30 Dec 2017, 11:43:13

Best wishes, Ibon. You'll be missed. I've backed away from some online interactions, and probably will do more going forward. Still, I do still find some sites good sources of information, and yes, I do like accurate information, even if it is about decaying situations that I will have little to no ability to mitigate...I guess it's just the academic in me! :)
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Re: Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Unread postby jedrider » Sun 31 Dec 2017, 11:41:07

Doom means we all sign out!
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Re: Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 31 Dec 2017, 12:26:07

For the time being maybe not literally but an Economic collapse would assuredly take down the Internet
What is there to live for after that :lol: 8O
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Re: Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Unread postby baha » Mon 01 Jan 2018, 08:29:37

Ibon, Hello Ibon...are you out there?

I miss you :cry: But I know our spirits are still connected :)

I may show up at your door one day...I'll be driving a red electric VW Squareback with NC plates :)
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Re: Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 01 Jan 2018, 08:58:56

Not to Ibon's you won't, have to walk the last few miles.
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Re: Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Unread postby baha » Mon 01 Jan 2018, 10:09:57

You haven't seen my VW :) I won't be stopped easily...of course I haven't seen it either. It's still in design mode :)

OK, I can walk too. The PV panels on the roof will charge the EVW.
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Re: Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Unread postby Revi » Mon 08 Jan 2018, 13:54:27

Back to the subject of this thread. We are headed for 4 degrees minimum. 4 degrees means a lot of sea level rise and lots of other problems. We'll see what happens.
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Re: Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 08 Jan 2018, 14:13:00

This book which I actually possess, opened my eyes about the extreme danger of climate change. "6 degrees our future on a hotter planet" by Mark Lynas.
Unfortunately, Revi, it says the the feedbacks and momentum of climate change would mean that from 2 degrees above pre-industrial temps, would lead to at least 6 degrees above at which Earth is not a very nice place for organisms like us.
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Re: Is the 2°C world a fantasy?

Unread postby aspera » Mon 08 Jan 2018, 15:46:51

Getting to 350: What It Will Take to Fix Global Warming
Saturday, January 06, 2018 By Peter Montague, Truthout
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/43144-getting-to-350-what-it-will-take-to-fix-global-warming

In 2017, scientists for the first time spelled out what it will take for civilization to survive global warming. Simply ending the use of fossil fuels isn't going to do it; we must also extract billions of tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) out of the atmosphere and store it somewhere forever. The world has been edging toward this momentous conclusion for a long time, but in 2017, scientists finally laid out the details.

The American Physical Society (APS) -- the professional association for physicists -- has estimated that air capture and storage of CO2 will cost at least $610 per ton. If this APS estimate held true, then a 6 percent-per-year reduction would cost $4.2 trillion each year, and 3 percent-per-year reduction would cost $6.7 trillion per year, every year for 80 years. Those are large sums.

Whatever it finally costs to get back to 350, based on historical CO2 emissions the US would be liable for 26 percent of the total cost -- somewhere between $182 billion per year and $1.1 trillion per year, using the cost estimates given above.

Cites Hansen, et al. (2017) https://www.earth-syst-dynam.net/8/577/2017/esd-8-577-2017.pdf#page=1&zoom=auto,-119,800
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