Newfie wrote:Back to topic of 2°. I asked above and no one responded...
It seems we have consensus we will blow through 2°C, what do you do with that knowledge? How does it change your plans, your daily life?
Newfie wrote:Back to topic of 2°. I asked above and no one responded...
It seems we have consensus we will blow through 2°C, what do you do with that knowledge? How does it change your plans, your daily life?
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Ibon wrote:As Tanada pointed out well enough we are past the point of mitigation.
So my plan is not to think about it any longer, not to invest any more energy or time toward futility.
dohboi wrote:you are likely to be inundated by those seeking shelter from the same, or to have your home confiscated by government authorities for similar purposes
Ibon wrote:As Tanada pointed out well enough we are past the point of mitigation.
So my plan is not to think about it any longer, not to invest any more energy or time toward futility.
GHung wrote:.... and as Dohboi says, no point in contributing to the madness more than one has to, even if others have thrown in the towel.
Ibon wrote:GHung wrote:.... and as Dohboi says, no point in contributing to the madness more than one has to, even if others have thrown in the towel.
Serving others, frugality, walks in the woods, conserving, reusing, working the land, identifying the bio diversity around you, etc. When these are your main interests in life you are automatically not a consumer and not contributing to the madness.
So I come back to the question.
Why focus at all on that which can't be mitigated? It is futile.
Not only futile, it serves no purpose since all of those ways you mention to not contribute to the madness happen to also be the same activities that bring you real contentment.
"On The Turning Away"
On the turning away
From the pale and downtrodden
And the words they say
Which we won't understand
"Don't accept that what's happening
Is just a case of others' suffering
Or you'll find that you're joining in
The turning away"
It's a sin that somehow
Light is changing to shadow
And casting its shroud
Over all we have known
Unaware how the ranks have grown
Driven on by a heart of stone
We could find that we're all alone
In the dream of the proud
On the wings of the night
As the daytime is stirring
Where the speechless unite
In a silent accord
Using words you will find are strange
Mesmerized as they light the flame
Feel the new wind of change
On the wings of the night
No more turning away
From the weak and the weary
No more turning away
From the coldness inside
Just a world that we all must share
It's not enough just to stand and stare
Is it only a dream that there'll be
No more turning away?
GHung wrote:
What you speak of reminds me of "On the Turning Away". There is an endless list of things I can't 'mitigate' which still need to be acknowledged, IMO.
Ibon wrote:GHung wrote:
What you speak of reminds me of "On the Turning Away". There is an endless list of things I can't 'mitigate' which still need to be acknowledged, IMO.
At what point along the time line of thousands of posts on the subject of human overshoot do we move from acknowledgement of the problem to recognizing that these endless posts only represent the gravitational pull that the status quo still has on us? You see, 9000 or 12000 or 6000 posts later like many posters on this site you have to suspect this has moved somewhere beyond acknowledgement to some sort of deeper motive that keeps one in orbit around the futility of our dilemma and needing to return daily to share this with others.
Are you going to be any wiser 3000 posts later in a few years? .
So there is no need to frame ones sustainable living based on a motive that one is lessening the damage or even acting symbolically to make a stand against the pathway our modern civilization is taking. We all here recognize a certain futility in mitigation.
The motives to generate your own power, grow your own food, recycle, fix things, live frugally, serve others are all inherent sources of wellbeing.
That is reason enough.
I can only influence those in my immediate surroundings.
To those I am turning toward. Yes, to the others outside this provincial mind set I am indeed turning away as the lyrics state that you posted.
Ask yourself why you feel the need to still be "in relationship" with a status quo that not only has no future but is moving their quite stressed out and unhappy. Mitigating their unhappiness is about as futile as winding back the consequences of human overshoot at this point.
Really, why bother?
Newfie wrote:Back to topic of 2°. I asked above and no one responded...
It seems we have consensus we will blow through 2°C, what do you do with that knowledge? How does it change your plans, your daily life?
Newfie wrote:Newfie wrote:Back to topic of 2°. I asked above and no one responded...
It seems we have consensus we will blow through 2°C, what do you do with that knowledge? How does it change your plans, your daily life?
OK, let’s broaden the thinking a bit, sort of blow up the stove pipe. We KNOW (more or less) we will have this change and we can’t stop it. Maybe we are all thinking ...
Eh, 2100, I’ll be dead by then.
What else will occur because if it? What could be the ramifications within say 10 years? Massive migrations within 10 years? Destabilization of Europe? What else? Anything?
No need to get caught with our pants down.
GHung wrote:Ibon wrote:GHung wrote:
What you speak of reminds me of "On the Turning Away". There is an endless list of things I can't 'mitigate' which still need to be acknowledged, IMO.
At what point along the time line of thousands of posts on the subject of human overshoot do we move from acknowledgement of the problem to recognizing that these endless posts only represent the gravitational pull that the status quo still has on us? You see, 9000 or 12000 or 6000 posts later like many posters on this site you have to suspect this has moved somewhere beyond acknowledgement to some sort of deeper motive that keeps one in orbit around the futility of our dilemma and needing to return daily to share this with others.
Are you going to be any wiser 3000 posts later in a few years? .
So there is no need to frame ones sustainable living based on a motive that one is lessening the damage or even acting symbolically to make a stand against the pathway our modern civilization is taking. We all here recognize a certain futility in mitigation.
The motives to generate your own power, grow your own food, recycle, fix things, live frugally, serve others are all inherent sources of wellbeing.
That is reason enough.
I can only influence those in my immediate surroundings.
To those I am turning toward. Yes, to the others outside this provincial mind set I am indeed turning away as the lyrics state that you posted.
Ask yourself why you feel the need to still be "in relationship" with a status quo that not only has no future but is moving their quite stressed out and unhappy. Mitigating their unhappiness is about as futile as winding back the consequences of human overshoot at this point.
Really, why bother?
But here you are
Newfie wrote:-snip-
No need to get caught with our pants down.
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