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International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 19 Nov 2017, 11:51:01

dohboi wrote:China and India climate change actions more than offset US Paris Agreement retreat[/b]

...three independent European research groups have released a new report that states emissions policies and actions at a national level, heavily influenced by China and India, have visibly reduced end of century temperature estimates. The newest projections suggest the world is headed for a warming of 3.4°C (6.1° F) by 2100, down from 3.6°C (6.5°F) predicted a year ago, as per the The Climate Action Tracker (CAT) report.


What actions exactly did China and India do to reduce global warming?

Back here in the real world they both continued to build coal-fired power plants and their CO2 production went UP this year. In fact, atmospheric CO2 levels went up to new record highs, principally because of the increasing CO2 production from China and India. Those actions make global warming WORSE, not better.

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 19 Nov 2017, 14:24:31

I think the article is talking projected long term trends, while what happened this year is obviously short term. But who knows really how things will pan out in the long term (besides very, very badly)?

The increase in China's emissions seems to have been because they could not use their hydro effectively due to (likely GW-exacerbated) droughts...

So on the one hand, it is not likely something that will be repeated next year or in following years, at least not with regular consistency, not for a while at least.

On the other hand, this is the kind of human linked feedback we are likely to see more and more of going forward.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 20 Nov 2017, 16:38:11

Well, the poorest countries are not the biggest emitters nor do they have the clout to force action in these climate treaties. So basically, they are just going to have grin and bare it
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.3260531
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 06 Dec 2017, 14:32:32

I just saw the most amazing number.

It involves Saudi Arabia's commitments under the Paris Climate Accords.

Most people probably think that Saudi Arabia and other countries made pledges under the Paris Accords to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. But in reality Saudi Arabia and many other countries pledged to greatly INCREASE their CO2 emissions under the Paris Accords.

Lets look at the Saudi numbers:

Saudi committed to increase their CO2 emissions above an "dynamic" baseline (i.e. an INCREASING base number) --- independent analysis of the Saudi pledge indicates the under the Paris Accords Saudi CO2 emissions will INCREASE by as much as 110% by 2030.

climateactiontracker.org/countries/saudiarabia

Think about that. Saudi and many other countries signed a UN Treaty pledging to INCREASE their CO2 emission in the Paris Accords. Thanks to the Paris Accords the countries of the world are now committed to emit MORE CO2 and make global warming WORSE.

This means the Accords are worse then worthless---they will actually make the climate worse.

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climateactiontracker.org (link above) analyses the Paris Accord commitments of all the countries involved. Check it out.

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Unread postby onlooker » Wed 06 Dec 2017, 15:27:10

And in line with these fraud climate negotiations, the world is set to hit it's highest levels of CO2 emissions in 2017
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1211 ... 2017-cop23
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Cog » Wed 06 Dec 2017, 16:05:37

onlooker wrote:And in line with these fraud climate negotiations, the world is set to hit it's highest levels of CO2 emissions in 2017
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1211 ... 2017-cop23


Perhaps you need to complain to India and China about that. You know, the countries that were exempt on CO2 emissions.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 06 Dec 2017, 16:13:22

Cog wrote:
onlooker wrote:And in line with these fraud climate negotiations, the world is set to hit it's highest levels of CO2 emissions in 2017
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1211 ... 2017-cop23


Perhaps you need to complain to India and China about that. You know, the countries that were exempt on CO2 emissions.


Blame Obama for that. He's the main promoter of this fraudulent climate treaty that claims to limit global warming but actually ratifies some countries greatly increasing their CO2 emissions, resulting in net increases in global CO2 emissions.

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby onlooker » Wed 06 Dec 2017, 16:16:08

How about the whole frigging world. Afterall, weren't most countries signers to the Paris accord?
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 06 Dec 2017, 16:27:39

Absolutely right. TPTB in countries around the world jumped at this opportunity to "greenwash" their ever increasing CO2 emissions. But Obama is the main culprit.

Obama and his administration derailed the Copenhagen climate treaty in 2009, which would've required mandatory CO2 emissions cuts.

Obama and the US then proposed a different kind of UN climate treaty, and worked to get it drafted up between 2010-2015

Then Obama locked in the basis for the Paris Accords when he negotiated a bilateral US-China "climate deal" that allowed China to increase their CO2 emissions with no limits. India said they wanted the same deal. Obama agreed.

Then in Paris Obama was the main promoter of this farce, encouraging countries all over the world to jump on board. They treaty didn't do anything, so just about every country signed up, and they all promised the Paris Accords would limit global warming. Corporations also signed up as supporters, including a number of large oil companies. I think McDonalds is a corporate sponsor. And virtually all of the mainstream media promoted the treaty....and in most cases continues to do so.

Basically the treaty is "greenwashing". The ruling class can now pretend they are doing something about climate change when they are actually making it worse.

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The Paris Accords are just "greenwashing" on a global scale.

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 09 Dec 2017, 19:36:06

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