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THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 31 Oct 2017, 13:45:18

"More accurate to say they are out of power and have nothing to lose politically by making the proposal"

Well put. But leaders are supposed to lead, and to be guided by their best light, not just by what the next election cycle might bring.

Most of the Repubs in congress look like a bunch of Toadies For Trump (they should get T-shirts!), and wimps in mortal terror of the maddest party members' every bizarre delusion.

Sad.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby asg70 » Tue 31 Oct 2017, 13:57:57

dohboi wrote:"More accurate to say they are out of power and have nothing to lose politically by making the proposal"

Well put. But leaders are supposed to lead, and to be guided by their best light, not just by what the next election cycle might bring.

Most of the Repubs in congress look like a bunch of Toadies For Trump (they should get T-shirts!), and wimps in mortal terror of the maddest party members' every bizarre delusion.

Sad.


This is also why McCain recovered his integrity lately. The guy probably doesn't have long on this earth, similar to Kennedy's last days.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 04 Nov 2017, 22:30:33


November 03: 404.17 ppm
November 02: 404.04 ppm
November 01: 403.94 ppm
October 31: 404.30 ppm
October 30: 404.11 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 05 Nov 2017, 00:18:51

Get your head out of the clouds
and get your feet back in the dirt
my friend...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE4zdYtHJG0
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 05 Nov 2017, 12:47:11

Record surge in atmospheric CO2

This year’s greenhouse gas bulletin produced by the WMO is based on measurements taken in 51 countries. Research stations dotted around the globe measure concentrations of warming gases including carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide.

The figures published by the WMO are what’s left in the atmosphere after significant amounts are absorbed by the Earth’s “sinks”, which include the oceans and the biosphere

2016 saw average concentrations of CO2 hit 403.3 parts per million, up from 400ppm in 2015.

“It is the largest increase we have ever seen in the 30 years we have had this network,” Dr Oksana Tarasova, chief of WMO’s global atmosphere watch programme, told BBC News.

“The largest increase was in the previous El Niño, in 1997-1998, and it was 2.7ppm; and now it is 3.3ppm. It is also 50% higher than the average of the last 10 years.”

The study notes that since 1990 there has been a 40% increase in total radiative forcing. That’s the warming effect on our climate of all greenhouse gases.

“Geological-wise, it is like an injection of a huge amount of heat,” said Dr Tarasova.

“The changes will not take 10,000 years, like they used to take before; they will happen fast. We don’t have the knowledge of the system in this state; that is a bit worrisome!”

According to experts, the last time the Earth experienced a comparable concentration of CO2 was three to five million years ago, in the mid-Pliocene Epoch. The climate then was 2-3C warmer, and sea levels were 10-20m higher due to the melting of Greenland and the West Antarctic ice sheets.

Other experts in the field of atmospheric research agreed that the WMO findings were a cause for concern.

“The 3ppm CO2 growth rate in 2015 and 2016 is extreme – double the growth rate in the 1990-2000 decade,” Prof Euan Nisbet from Royal Holloway University of London, UK, told BBC News.



http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41778089
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 05 Nov 2017, 17:04:15


Week beginning on October 29, 2017: 404.17 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 402.84 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 381.75 ppm
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Unread postby Tanada » Sun 12 Nov 2017, 21:01:18


November 11: 404.37 ppm
November 10: 403.88 ppm
November 09: 404.66 ppm
November 08: 404.20 ppm
November 07: 403.86 ppm
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Unread postby Tanada » Sun 12 Nov 2017, 21:02:13


Week beginning on November 5, 2017: 404.27 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 402.90 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 382.05 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 12 Nov 2017, 21:05:16

The question arises, how much impact will the La Nina weather have on the build up of CO2 over the 17-18 winter season? Cold wind tossed water is very good at absorbing CO2 and sequestering it for moderate periods in sea water. In fact it is the most effective natural sink because though green plant growth absorbs more it tends to give almost all of it back within a year as dead plants decay or are consumed in fires.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 12 Nov 2017, 21:06:54


October 2017: 403.64 ppm
October 2016: 401.57 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 21 Nov 2017, 08:57:10


Week beginning on November 12, 2017: 405.09 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 403.44 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 382.39 ppm
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Unread postby Tanada » Tue 21 Nov 2017, 08:58:25


November 20: Unavailable
November 19: 405.62 ppm
November 18: 405.65 ppm
November 17: 405.14 ppm
November 16: 405.71 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 30 Nov 2017, 17:41:12

Thanks, as always, T, for these crucial updates of the most important numbers on the planet...they should be headlines every day in every newspaper on the planet, with scientific explanations of their significance, of course, for the unaware.

If the earth had been dislodged from its orbit and was now slowly spiraling ever closer to the sun, I'm betting that the world would be riveted to every update of how much closer we were every day. Yet that is effectively what has happened, but the equivalent figures are unknown to most.

Meanwhile, we have an ever clearer idea of what the effects of these increases in CO2 will be:

Gunnar Myhre, Olivier Boucher, François-Marie Bréon, Piers Forster & Drew Shindell, (2015), "Declining uncertainty in transient climate response as CO2 forcing dominates future climate change", Nature Geoscience, doi:10.1038/ngeo2371

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop ... o2371.html

Abstract:

Carbon dioxide has exerted the largest portion of radiative forcing and surface temperature change over the industrial era, but other anthropogenic influences have also contributed. However, large uncertainties in total forcing make it difficult to derive climate sensitivity from historical observations. Anthropogenic forcing has increased between the Fourth and Fifth Assessment Reports of the Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change (IPCC) although its relative uncertainty has decreased.

Here we show, based on data from the two reports, that this evolution towards lower uncertainty can be expected to continue into the future. Because it is easier to reduce [other forms of] air pollution than carbon dioxide emissions and because of the long lifetime of carbon dioxide, the less uncertain carbon dioxide forcing is expected to become increasingly dominant.

Using a statistical model, we estimate that the relative uncertainty in anthropogenic forcing of more than 40% quoted in the latest IPCC report for 2011 will be almost halved by 2030, even without better scientific understanding. Absolute forcing uncertainty will also decline for the first time, provided projected decreases in aerosols occur. Other factors being equal, this stronger constraint on forcing will bring a significant reduction in the uncertainty of observation-based estimates of the transient climate response, with a 50% reduction in its uncertainty range expected by 2030.


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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dissident » Thu 30 Nov 2017, 19:15:43

I think there is good evidence that sulfate aerosol pollution during the last 150 years is a distinctive feature not found before. During the Siberian and Deccan trap events the SO2 and CO2 had a different impact compared to global dimming like we saw in the industrial era.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/285 ... c-activity

During the trap emplacement, sulfate aerosols cool the Earth’s surface during short periods (a few years) but enhance the long-term warming due to an increase of pCO by 25%.


Humans have also increased land albedo through deforestation on a global scale. This deforestation did not occur in the past global warming events (at least not in the ramp up stage). Until recently sulfate aerosol and land-use albedo increase have been partly masking the warming effect of CO2. As these two factors become less important (thanks to clean air legislation and saturation of deforestation or even partial reforestation in abandoned lands and sub-arctic) we see the native CO2 warming effect and it is rather high.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby kublikhan » Mon 04 Dec 2017, 17:20:49

The transportation sector is now the largest source of CO2 emissions in the US having passed the power sector last year. I wonder if people knew that they would then accept that they are part of the problem. I doubt it.

Power plants have been the biggest source of U.S. CO2 emissions since the 1970s—until now. For the first time in 40 years, power plants are no longer the biggest source of U.S. greenhouse gas pollution. That dubious distinction now belongs to the transport sector: cars, trucks, planes, trains and boats.

The big reversal didn’t happen because transportation emissions have been increasing. In fact, since 2000 the U.S. has experienced the flattest stretch of transportation-related pollution in modern record keeping. The big change has come from the cleanup of America’s electric grid. The chart below shows carbon dioxide emissions from transportation exceeding those from electricity production in 2016 for the first time since 1978. The pollution gap has continued to widen further in 2017.

Electricity use in the U.S. hasn’t declined much in the last decade, but it’s being generated from cleaner sources. A dramatic switch away from coal, the dirtiest fuel, is mostly responsible for the drop in emissions. Coal power has declined by more than a third in the last decade, according to the EIA, while cleaner natural gas has soared more than 60 percent. Wind and solar power are also increasingly sucking the greenhouse gases out of U.S. electricity production.

The transportation sector is also entering a critical period of reformation. Cars are becoming more efficient under aggressive pollution rules passed under President Barack Obama, but that’s so far been offset by an ever-rising American appetite for SUVs, crossovers and pickup trucks. Even the nation’s clean-air policies could soon change. The Trump administration is considering rolling back the toughest fuel-efficiency standards, which are set to take effect in the early 2020s.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 15 Dec 2017, 13:19:00


November 2017: 405.14 ppm
November 2016: 403.53 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 15 Dec 2017, 13:20:04


Week beginning on December 3, 2017: 406.76 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 403.92 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 383.65 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 15 Dec 2017, 13:20:55


December 14: 406.18 ppm
December 13: 405.94 ppm
December 12: 406.53 ppm
December 11: 406.81 ppm
December 10: 405.86 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 15 Dec 2017, 13:23:44

Based on the latest weekly numbers our ten year average yearly increases is sitting at 2.311 ppmv/year. The "good" news is we seem to be resuming a slower rate of increase as the El Nino effect trails off into La Nina this winter.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby kmann » Fri 15 Dec 2017, 22:10:47

Tanada wrote:November 03: 404.17 ppm


AHH! HELP I'm assfixiating, er that is asphyxiating, form too moch c02.
Oh, wait, a quick google search says that happens at 30,000 to 100,000 ppm.
Uh, never mind.
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