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Why Following EIA Forecasts is Dangerous for the US

Unread postby Graeme » Mon 27 Jan 2014, 18:52:33

Why Following EIA Forecasts is Dangerous for the US

Think back to early 2004. Oil cost around $40 per barrel—on the high side compared to the previous few decades but not much out of the ordinary. Gasoline still cost under $2.00 a gallon for most of the country. The evening news was more concerned with wardrobe gaffes by Janet Jackson (too little, at the Super Bowl) and President Bush (too much, on the USS Abraham Lincoln) than with energy prices.

In retrospect, these were the last days of "normal." Almost everyone in business, the media, and government assumed that the world had plenty of cheap oil. And hardly anyone outside the fossil fuel industry had heard of peak oil, the idea that we were nearing physical limits to global oil production and a new period of oil price and supply volatility.

We now know that the world's conventional oil production would effectively stop growing the very next year, setting off a sickening global economic rollercoaster ride. The complacency of 2004 would change to worry by 2005 as the price of oil surged past historic highs, and to outright panic in 2008 when it crossed the once-unthinkable $100 barrier. It would spark massively increased investment in alternatives like tight oil, tar sands oil, shale gas, renewable energy, and nuclear power—all while the global economy made painful adjustments to the new normal of $80-plus oil.

By now you'd think we'd be chastened by the last ten years, and would be planning cautiously and conservatively for our nation's energy future. Instead, almost everyone is once again assuming that we've got plenty of (admittedly more expensive) oil, and that there's nothing to worry about.

Such short-sightedness isn't necessarily surprising for Wall Street, where only the current quarter's figures matter; nor for the news media, where energy-literate journalists are sadly few and far between. But it's quite another matter to see it in a federal government agency, especially one whose most important functions include projecting the future of the country's energy needs and resources.

In this respect, the Energy Information Administration's (EIA) recently released Annual Energy Outlook 2014 (AEO 2014), which foresees impending and long-term US oil abundance, is not just surprising—it's a dangerous return to a 2004 way of thinking.


Although few would disagree that the EIA's data collection and dissemination activities are world-class, its projections in AEO 2014 are, like most of its previous projections, overly optimistic and unlikely to be realized. The risks to long-term American energy security are obvious if the EIA's projections of low-priced energy abundance don't work out.

Good news sells, and doesn't rock any boats, but policy makers and politicians comforted by rosy forecasts are unable to understand the risks and properly prepare the country for long-term energy sustainability. It's unfortunate—and yes, dangerous—that rosy forecasts are exactly what the government's premiere energy fortune teller continues to offer, despite its dismal track record.


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Re: Why Following EIA Forecasts is Dangerous for the US

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 27 Jan 2014, 23:43:19

Graeme wrote: the Energy Information Administration's (EIA) recently released Annual Energy Outlook 2014 (AEO 2014), which foresees impending and long-term US oil abundance, is not just surprising—it's .... dangerous


It hard to know anymore if any of the data coming out of the federal government can be trusted anymore.

The BLS, IRS, NSA, EPA, Justice Dept. and other federal agencies all seem to be politicized. I'm certainly not surprised if the data and projections of the EIA are also now being twisted around to present a "happy talk" story. :idea:
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Re: Why Following EIA Forecasts is Dangerous for the US

Unread postby rollin » Tue 28 Jan 2014, 08:07:16

Very nice article, showcasing some of the differential between then and now concerning oil. One of the points it does not make and one that effects many projection models, is that the term oil has become very loosely defined and often means crude oil plus any liquid that comes from the ground that will burn (NGL, condensates, etc.). This new addition of low molecular weight "fuels" has added considerable volume to overall production, thus biasing the results in favor of a positive production growth curve.

I think that what we do not see is critical to the new mindset. We do not see signs or public messages advising us to conserve transport fuels. We do not see speed limits being reduced on highways. We do not see a major move on the part of car and truck manufacturers to increase mpg.

It's pretty much an attitude that the party is still going on and the parents are not coming home tonight, party on - if you can.

The warnings went out, the data and results were presented. This is the result.
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Re: Why Following EIA Forecasts is Dangerous for the US

Unread postby RobertInget » Tue 28 Jan 2014, 09:42:49

RollinOn makes excellent points. 'Auto industry not doing enough'.
This American Boy car enthusiast is seeing a resurgence of 'muscle cars',
SUV's (smaller) and pick-up trucks (lighter).If you watch Superbowl this weekend notice emphasis on power instead of economy.
Being in business to make short term profit, convince
males they need 200+ HP . If 'fuel efficiency' is mentioned at all it will be hybrids. Not 'sissy' little buggers but SUV's with 'ample' power to deal with long distance, high speed, 'safe', comfortable, interstate travel.
We will see incredible feats performed by clean 4X4's never before seen on TV. "If that Toyota can get up THAT hill, I can make it out of my driveway". (In Western Oregon where we get a heavy snow twice yearly, if we're lucky, families choose 4x4 Subaru out of fear)

That TV Super Bowl audience which may or may not make up a cross section of American males, have been determined by advertisers to be
prime targets to show off over weight, over hyped, muscle cars.
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Re: Why Following EIA Forecasts is Dangerous for the US

Unread postby FarQ3 » Thu 30 Jan 2014, 15:23:21

Thanks for the article Graham. A really informative and balanced article without the political posturing.
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Re: Why Following EIA Forecasts is Dangerous for the US

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 30 Jan 2014, 16:50:44

It's dangerous to put too much faith in any model IMHO...positive or negative. No model can predict the future. A model is a construct made of various assumptions. If the model is well designed (not all are) it can make a fairly accurate forecast of what will come to pass IF ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS IN THE MODEL PROVE TO BE CORRECT. So the question obviously becomes: how likely will those assumptions be correct? To determine that one needs to analyze all those assumptions. And as often as not those assumptions are not clearly stated.

As I've so crudely (pun intended) said before: a model is like masturbating: there's nothing wrong with it as long as you don't start thinking it's the real thing.
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Re: Why Following EIA Forecasts is Dangerous for the US

Unread postby rollin » Fri 31 Jan 2014, 09:42:12

As far as price goes the EIA has a wide range of prices so they are bound to be correct at least into the near future. The range is so wide that it probably covers everything other than the discovery of a new cheap source of energy or major societal collapse. These are BAU predictions so they state a steady US growth of 1.9% and 4% for trading partners. 1.9 percent growth is below actual inflation so it means that oil is actually getting more expensive than the graph shows.
What most readers here may not like is the appearance of not taking into account the likely descent of fracking production within the coming decade. They should just think the high oil price curve.
Personally, I think that any predictions past 2020 contain so many unknowns and variables as to be useless. The best that one can do with confidence is to see a general direction. Even then events and discoveries can shift that direction dramatically.

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Re: Why Following EIA Forecasts is Dangerous for the US

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 31 Jan 2014, 13:17:50

rollin wrote: ....
This new addition of low molecular weight "fuels" has added considerable volume to overall production, thus biasing the results in favor of a positive production growth curve.

I think that what we do not see is critical to the new mindset. We do not see signs or public messages advising us to conserve transport fuels. We do not see speed limits being reduced on highways. We do not see a major move on the part of car and truck manufacturers to increase mpg.
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This is correct.

On the one hand, we now have the technology to reliably (albeit expensively) extract these other fuels, so they indeed have added to the available curve. This is the valid point that the cornies make -- that increases in technology will tend to help the supply side of the equation over time.

OTOH, your observations about how little politicians are willing to do ANYTHING meaningful, aside from gradually raising some CAFE standards (and then not enforcing the consequences if they aren't met by American automakers, since it would upset certain voters) -- as far as conservation -- are absolutely correct, and I find this both alarming and blatantly stupid.

Once again, this is why I am a moderate -- you have the incredible forces of innovation and creativity on the positive side -- and the profoundly stupid and self defeating forces of short term thinking and wanting "everything in sight" by people on the other. The result continues to be that we sort of muddle though, at least in the moderate term.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Hamm: EIA forecasts costly to industry

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 19 Nov 2017, 12:43:14

Energy titan Harold Hamm reiterated his concerns about the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s (EIA) oil production forecasts Nov. 16, this time on the federal agency’s own webinar.



Hamm tells the feds what it is

Anyone else catch an invite to this? Most interesting was how this was portrayed by this article, versus impressions from watching all presenters, Hamm was only 1 of 4 but you wouldn't know it from the article.
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