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International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 10 Aug 2017, 04:25:43

onlooker wrote:Plant, is so right, what difference does it make since to date all the so called treaties and accords have been at best insufficient to propel any effective reduction in man made CO2. What is downright frightening is the realization that our species has NO intention to give up on FF given how integral they are in the economies of many countries.


The logical consequence out of this is declare [b]WAR on all FF corporations and destroy the FF industry @ all cost ![/b]

The victory price will be our all survival !

If human mankind lost this vital war for survival we will go extinct together with millions of other species in the six selfmade mass extinction event on this planet.

So human mankind declare TOTAL WAR to the FF Industries on all fronts or go extinct.

The declararition of WAR could be held in a W. Churchill style:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TlkN-dcDCk

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MANKIND is @ WAR with itself!

"Without any equivocation and firm in my belief that this is a just war like no other, a war engaged not only to defend ourselves but to defend the generations to follow, I formally declare a total war on the Energy Industrial Complex."

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 10 Aug 2017, 14:04:28

onlooker wrote:Plant, is so right, what difference does it make since to date all the so called treaties and accords have been at best insufficient to propel any effective reduction in man made CO2. What is downright frightening is the realization that our species has NO intention to give up on FF given how integral they are in the economies of many countries.


This is the realization I came to about 2 or 3 years ago. There is little sense of putting your energy into stopping the catastrophe, put all available energy into surviving the crash.

That said,
A. Climate change is unlikely to kill any of us here, too old, too slow
B. Collapse of the global financial system is likely to hit us first, at any time or in 10 years, who knows.

Best to mix energies between prepping and enjoying life. Try to find something that feeds both needs.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Cog » Thu 10 Aug 2017, 14:24:44

C: Climate change isn't going to kill any of us.

I'll go with this option since its the one that is actually happening.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 10 Aug 2017, 15:36:02

Well, Newf you are probably right. Before the worse of climate change can get middle age to elder people, the financial fallout will be very severe and potentially life threatening to many. But my sense of dread has been and continues to be for future generations and what meager prospects seem to await them because of the combination of a collapsed economy, resource shortages and climate change. I am having a hard time thinking as Ibon that the hell is what we will leave behind
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 10 Aug 2017, 19:32:26

US Abandons Global Science Leadership, Zeroes Out IPCC Funding

The IPCC also appears as zero request for the fiscal year 2018 in both the State Department’s Congressional Budget Justification, as well as the House’s State and Foreign Operations Bill (whose summary includes the IPCC on a list that “does not include funding for controversial or unnecessary programs”).

Without the U.S.’ contribution in FY 2017, the IPCC was short in contributions. As a result, the institution was forced to draw from its financial reserves.

This may not be sustainable in the long run and risks the institution’s ability to provide governments with the best available information on changes ahead. Accordingly, in June 2017, the Netherlands announced it would double its IPCC contribution in light of U.S. actions and is urging other nations to increase their contributions.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 10 Aug 2017, 19:45:53

Cog wrote:C: Climate change isn't going to kill any of us.

I'll go with this option since its the one that is actually happening.


Extreme heat waves have already killed thousands of people in Europe, Asia and India.

No doubt many thousands more will soon die in future heat waves

Cheers!

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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 10 Aug 2017, 20:47:56

Plantagenet wrote:
Cog wrote:C: Climate change isn't going to kill any of us.

I'll go with this option since its the one that is actually happening.


Extreme heat waves have already killed thousands of people in Europe, Asia and India.

No doubt many thousands more will soon die in future heat waves

Cheers!


True, but statistically many more people have died of hypothermia than hyperthermia, at least in the USA. This may change as more heat waves stack up, but so far it remains true. According to CDC statistics an average of 1300 Americans die from hypothermia each year.
More than 13,400 hypothermia deaths occurred in the United States between 2003 and 2013, with unadjusted annual rates ranging from 0.3 to 0.5 per 100,000 persons, the report says. A statistically significant increase in death rates from hypothermia occurred over the decade.

https://consumer.healthday.com/environm ... 96679.html

On the other side of the coin about half as many die from hyperthermia in an average year in the USA.
About 650 deaths each year from extreme heat could have been prevented, the CDC warned in a study published on June 6 in its journal Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. In total there were 7,233 heat-related deaths from 1999 to 2009.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 11 Aug 2017, 09:46:41

Those hypothermia deaths are almost all fairly easily preventable with adequate insulation in houses, as Sweden does:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 093136.htm
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 11 Aug 2017, 09:58:39

dohboi wrote:Those hypothermia deaths are almost all fairly easily preventable with adequate insulation in houses, as Sweden does:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 093136.htm


The same thing is true of Hyperthermia, despite pronouncements that we will all drop dead. Just as insulation protects from cold it does the same for heat.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 11 Aug 2017, 10:40:28

Agreed Onlooker. It's a bleak future.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 12 Aug 2017, 13:42:33

T, true, but you eventually have to go outside. If it's cold, you can bundle up.

But there's a limit to how much you can disrobe when it is too hot. And of course if it's wbt 95 F, no matter how naked you are, or how shady a spot you've found, or how windy it is, or how little you move...you are dead in a few hours.
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Re: International Climate Negotiations Pt. 2 (merged)

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 12 Aug 2017, 16:49:59

T and D

1. The trend and the rate of change are more interesting than historical figures.
2. Extrapolating USA stats across the globe is reaching.
3. I have no illusion that meaningful world stats will be available until such time as the results are obvious without them.
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