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THE Nuclear Power Thread pt 8 (merged)

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Re: THE Nuclear Power Thread pt 8 (merged)

Unread postby yellowcanoe » Wed 31 May 2017, 11:56:19

Nuclear power is like any other technology -- it takes time to mature. The earliest power reactors had top physicists and engineers involved in their construction and operation. Large scale deployment of power reactors brought in engineers and managers who didn't have the same level of understanding of nuclear power and/or whose previous experience was with thermal generating plants that didn't have the same complexity and safety concerns that nuclear power did. The result was two very serious accidents at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl plus a large number of less serious accidents. The safety record of nuclear power has improved significantly since those days and yet as a society we've written off further development of nuclear power.

The situation reminds of the introduction of iron bridges in the 18'th century. Engineers switched to using iron as it allowed larger and stronger bridges than could be built from wood or stone. However, they did not foresee the phenomena of brittle fatigue which could cause a railroad bridge to fail catastrophically without warning. Thousands of people died in bridge collapses and yet society did not demand that use of metal in bridge construction be stopped. Engineers eventually discovered that steel was a much better material for bridge construction than iron. I am rather annoyed that we simply gave up on nuclear power rather than trying to improve it.
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Re: THE Nuclear Power Thread pt 8 (merged)

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 31 May 2017, 14:59:20

I don't understand why you consider TMI a "serious accident". YES the reactor melted - but it was within a reinforced concrete containment structure. The only radioactivity released was some unknown (but fairly small) amount of Tritium vented from the dome. No adverse environmental impacts were ever found.

Chernobyl was a disaster. As accidents go, this one killed a few dozen people. It does not hold a candle to a hydropower dam failure, which have killed 100's of thousands of people via sudden flooding. It also doesn't compare to the 12,000 or so people each year in the USA killed by toxic coal emissions. Chernobyl doesn't even compare to the dozens of people killed by falls each year installing rooftop solar in the USA alone.

Nuclear energy, far from being a problem, is the safest form of energy production by a country mile.
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Re: THE Nuclear Power Thread pt 8 (merged)

Unread postby Simon_R » Sat 03 Jun 2017, 02:04:55

If nuclear is as safe as touted, then surely the sensible thing would be to build the plants in the middle of population centres so they can provide without any transmission loss adjustment factor, also providing work for the unemployed, you could have one in DC one in Manhattan, London etc etc.
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That I would support safe clean etc etc etc
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Re: THE Nuclear Power Thread pt 8 (merged)

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Sat 03 Jun 2017, 04:26:33

The problem with nuclear energy is irrational hysteria, caused by ignorance and decades of movies about nuclear wars, mutants, and Godzilla. That there is absolutely no connection between these things and commercial nuclear power plants is a fact most people don't even know, or bother to understand.

I happen to agree with you. I am currently house hunting in Wisconsin, and I would not want to live within a dozen or so miles of a coal power plant that has been spewing toxics for decades. But a nuclear plant I would have no problem with as a neighbor.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/#39161e4f709b
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Re: THE Nuclear Power Thread pt 8 (merged)

Unread postby StarvingLion » Tue 06 Jun 2017, 12:06:15

KaiserJeep wrote:The problem with nuclear energy is irrational hysteria, caused by ignorance and decades of movies about nuclear wars, mutants, and Godzilla. That there is absolutely no connection between these things and commercial nuclear power plants is a fact most people don't even know, or bother to understand.

I happen to agree with you. I am currently house hunting in Wisconsin, and I would not want to live within a dozen or so miles of a coal power plant that has been spewing toxics for decades. But a nuclear plant I would have no problem with as a neighbor.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/#39161e4f709b


The problem with nuclear energy is that its not a cash dispenser like you think it is. This system is run by hard currency (certain types of oil) and nothing else. The purpose of renewables is preparation to MASS BANKRUPTCY. Notice how all energy "transition" is to devices that require NO personnel? Its because everyone will be broke once the hard currency of conventional oil is gone. Same goes for that crap called automated ev ride-sharing...people with a few electronic "money" in their accounts.

But hey you know better, the fools of France need another 5 university degrees before they stop listening to people like you and figure out that they are flat broke.
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Re: THE Nuclear Power Thread pt 8 (merged)

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 06 Jun 2017, 15:20:53

Still, it should be your goal to live somewhere debt-free, with a vegetable patch, a few fruit trees, a well, and a wind turbine or solar PV setup, and whatever else you desire for your comfort.

Best case, you'll be a survivor. Worst case, the world won't go to Hell, but you'll still be slim and fit with no debt.
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Re: THE Nuclear Power Thread pt 8 (merged)

Unread postby StarvingLion » Wed 14 Jun 2017, 16:01:44

The nuclear reactor has no fuel. Fuel rods, trisco particles, and the liquid salts either are totally unreliable or burn basically almost nothing of the original uranium stock.

The whole industry is a boondoggle and completely dependent on massive oil input.

Imagine a completely new design that is somehow possible. It take 40 years to see if it worked reliably in a series of pilot plants that would cost over a trillion dollars.

Meanwhile, Scamerica has to shut down all coal plants to fund more funny derivatives money.

BANKRUPT.
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Re: THE Nuclear Power Thread pt 8 (merged)

Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 31 Jul 2017, 15:20:29

S.C. utilities stop building $16B V.C. Summer nuclear expansion

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S.C.Electric & Gas and Santee Cooper have decided to stop construction at the proposed V.C. Summer Nuclear Station expansion, but customers could remain on the hook for up to $9 billion already sunk on the project.

Santee Cooper’s board acted first, announcing it would proceed with neither of the two nuclear reactors under construction at the site at this time. SCE&G, a subsidiary of SCANA Corp.reacted shortly thereafter, acceding to that decision.

The fate of the project has been closely watched in the industry, which considered it a bell-weather for whether new nuclear construction would be economical in the United States. Duke Energy Corp., which still has the massive W.S. Lee Nuclear Station proposal in its long-range plans, has said it is following developments at Summer closely as it decides whether to proceed with its own project. And executives have said the final resolution there could have a significant impact on Duke's decision whether to proceed with its own project.
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