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Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

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Unread postby Whitefang » Sun 02 Jul 2017, 10:27:11

Yes onlooker, action to get out of town before the power is down......and water, bread is hard to find, try to make it as long as possible, something that can be done. Special forces the top dogs in the survival business.

Once the thin arctic sea ice is gone and the methane is blasting up by the Gton there is no way to repair the damage done. If not already.
Even if you manage to cool the planet by nukes or so, fast and easy, nothing will stop the methane bom but depletion of the full reservoir, or refreeze by air, dry up the ESAS.....
Then there are all those other feedbacks heating things up, most with a time lag.

ok, you are probably right, those powers that be might use A bombs on people to blot out the sun for a while, and get rid of some overshoot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUUt4cHdLGk

Gepubliceerd op 8 apr. 2016

Yesterday I created a social media firestorm wth my video "H-bomb can halt abrupt climate change". I elaborate in this video on the science.

On social media many people wondered if I had gone to the dark side, lost my marbles, or worse. As far as I know, none of these things happened. Life is good.

A) we are in a global climate emergency
B) the largest ecosystem on the planet (Great Barrier Reef) is on deathwatch
C) GHGs, temperatures, biosphere loss spiking
D) could we bend curves downward, if nothing else works?
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SAI

Unread postby Whitefang » Sun 02 Jul 2017, 13:07:20

The SS, Secret you know what is already busy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6EVKpN8JHU

26 minutes......Stratospheric Aerosol Injection, CIA boss at COFR meeting with personal attention to halting abrupt CC by junk high up above our precious atmosphere.

So all that you can do is run for the hills before you get trapped in your hometown

https://www.cia.gov/news-information/sp ... tions.html

Another example is the array of technologies—often referred to collectively as geoengineering—that potentially could help reverse the warming effects of global climate change. One that has gained my personal attention is stratospheric aerosol injection, or SAI, a method of seeding the stratosphere with particles that can help reflect the sun’s heat, in much the same way that volcanic eruptions do.

An SAI program could limit global temperature increases, reducing some risks associated with higher temperatures and providing the world economy additional time to transition from fossil fuels. The process is also relatively inexpensive—the National Research Council estimates that a fully deployed SAI program would cost about $10 billion yearly.

As promising as it may be, moving forward on SAI would raise a number of challenges for our government and for the international community. On the technical side, greenhouse gas emission reductions would still have to accompany SAI to address other climate change effects, such as ocean acidification, because SAI alone would not remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBG81dXgM0Q

discussion here:

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-cia-d ... ion.t7721/
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 02 Jul 2017, 14:37:05

You can't 'engineer' a system you don't understand.
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 02 Jul 2017, 15:24:03

dohboi wrote:You can't 'engineer' a system you don't understand.

And basically have no control of
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 02 Jul 2017, 16:56:09

dohboi wrote:You can't 'engineer' a system you don't understand.


Sure you can, we do it every day, 24/7/365.

It's how we got where we are.

The real question is, can we stop?
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 02 Jul 2017, 17:34:40

Not a good sign
http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/n ... in-arctic/

'Big bang' and 'pillar of fire' as latest of two new craters forms this week in the Arctic
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 02 Jul 2017, 18:18:38

"there's so much intelligent, cogent, coherent, pithy, and truthful writing around"

Exactly.

So doing more of the some is unlikely to get us to a better place...more likely, much worse...
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 05 Jul 2017, 07:23:55

Per Wipneus:

Update 20170704.

Extent: -116.0 (-16k vs 2016, -682k vs 2015, -204k vs 2014, -354k vs 2013, -81k vs 2012)
Area: -100.0 (-58k vs 2016, -616k vs 2015, -466k vs 2014, -392k vs 2013, -153k vs 2012)

So we are lowest now on both parameters as of 7/4/2017.
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 11 Jul 2017, 13:47:28

http://arctic-news.blogspot.de/2017/07/ ... ocean.html

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Arctic Heat Wave


It rains over the North Pole

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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 11 Jul 2017, 21:39:08

Well if section PP breaks up a boat good at dodging ice bergs might get to Resolute in a week or so.
http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/prods/WIS55S ... 522402.pdf
Might be a while before you get much beyond that.
http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/prods/WIS56S ... 522386.pdf
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 16 Jul 2017, 16:34:06

Neven's predictions for the next couple days:

"...high pressure over Beaufort, Chukchi, ESS, Laptev and Kara is going to mean bye-bye for a lot of ice."
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 16 Jul 2017, 17:31:37

dohboi wrote:Neven's predictions for the next couple days:

"...high pressure over Beaufort, Chukchi, ESS, Laptev and Kara is going to mean bye-bye for a lot of ice."

Do you have a link there you want to share? It is hard to comment on nothing.
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 16 Jul 2017, 18:13:32

http://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.p ... #msg121116

He adds the caveat that the weather forecasts are conflicting and changing fast; I think the first clause should be read as conditional...if there is consistent high pressure over those areas, the ice will have a hard time surviving.
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sun 16 Jul 2017, 18:39:00

A huge chunk of ice just broke off the North portion of Greenland today.

Compare these three pictures:

Friday July 14: https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov/?p ... 0396374838

Saturday July 15: https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov/?p ... 0396374838

Sunday July 16: https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov/?p ... 6867398436

If I'm not mistaken, this is old multi-year sea ice from this map:


http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icethickness ... 170709.png
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 16 Jul 2017, 21:58:10

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Notice how the sea ice thickness is undoubtedly at the lowest level ever
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 16 Jul 2017, 22:13:07

Wow, Rod. Looks like that 'chunk' was over 100 miles long and about 20 wide at its widest!
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 20 Jul 2017, 06:02:45

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http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arct ... -ice-21599

Mankind @ full speed to blue arctic ocean
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sat 29 Jul 2017, 17:50:58

Does anyone know why this Arctic sea ice volume site hasn't updated since July 9th?

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icethickness/thk.uk.php
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby evilgenius » Thu 03 Aug 2017, 11:37:00

I have to ask this question, what do people who call for blue water mean? Because I can't see a total melt this year, not from here. I still see people calling for blue water, though. There must be a percentage of ice, not a total melt, they are calling for.

My biggest worry is whether the actual North Pole melts. I think that will have a significant impact upon the popular discourse. Children will be disproportionately effected. The Santa myth is one of the things to die as this thing rolls on. That could destabilize many children, especially in this world where a little person in trouble is too much distraction for parents who haven't got enough attention span to notice.

Methane release is my second biggest worry. It's more important than my biggest worry, technically. The one has the potential to produce a generation of adults in thirty or forty years who are still trying to find themselves, and the other the potential to shut them up, over the seriousness of runaway climate change compared to one's own problems. But, then, we are encouraged to think locally.
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Re: Arctic Sea Ice 2017 Pt. 1

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 03 Aug 2017, 13:28:51

In the sites I follow, they seem to have settled on 1 million square k of extent or less to qualify as blue ocean. It's somewhat arbitrary, but of course if one insisted on no ice in the water at all, well, that's not gonna happen for a long time...till after all the glaciers that calve into the sea are gone, at least.

You are right that it is probably not going to happen this year now, though the ice is so thin and crappy, it's hard to know how it would react to various possible extreme weather scenarios that may come up in the next few weeks.
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