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THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 4 (merged)

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THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 4 (merged)

Unread postby baha » Sat 10 Jun 2017, 15:17:05

No, Look at these things and work out your own priorities. Start with the most important and stop when you run out of energy. You may not get them all, but you'll probably make it thru food and shelter. There might even be room for well made, long lasting equipment and tools. But cheap Chinese disposables will have to go.

The 'we can and should continue with business as usual' part is where you went off track. If we combine major efficiency upgrades with reduced power availability we remain on an even keel. There is plenty of FFs left if you only use it for smelting metals and floating glass.
A Solar fuel spill is otherwise known as a sunny day!
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Re: THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 3 (merged)

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 10 Jun 2017, 15:20:49

Baha,
If you were answering Sunweb I think you miss read him badly.
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Re: THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 3 (merged)

Unread postby baha » Sat 10 Jun 2017, 15:56:06

Did I?
I just scanned his blogpost...He doesn't think renewables can hold their own. Right?

I disagree. I don't need future technology to do it. Just more efficient ways of using existing tech.
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Re: THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 3 (merged)

Unread postby StarvingLion » Sat 10 Jun 2017, 17:25:44

Are your solar panels harvesting UV and IR?

If they are, does it use materials that requires rare earths?

Face reality, a buildout today of intermittent generators is total worthless junk.

IF UV and IR require exotic materials , kiss of death.

Todays solar *cell* is not economically legitimate...and thus the panels are economic suicide.

Another thing is for certain: Windmills can never make mass electrification happen. Windmills are scams.
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Re: THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 3 (merged)

Unread postby StarvingLion » Sat 10 Jun 2017, 17:33:40

Its getting more and more obvious what the real energy "solution" is:

******FINANCIAL DERIVATIVES********

"financing" Shale drilling and useless junk intermittent electricity generators.

The "price" of oil will go to $0. The "price" of electricity will go to $0. The stock prices of various stock scams such as FB will go to $99999999999999999999999999999.

The xxxxing scamworld of QE and ZIRP is pathological to the point where all the prices are total BULLSHIT.

There is no point trying to analyze systemic FRAUD on electronic networks.

Apparently the only thing of value is owning the electronic networks to do FRAUD.
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Re: THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 3 (merged)

Unread postby baha » Mon 12 Jun 2017, 06:23:15

Here is another issue the MSM has confused.

Crystalline silicon PV panels do not contain rare earths (which aren't so rare). Only thin-film technology uses them. It also uses plastic instead of glass so I discounted it years ago, and it has since failed. I have serviced thin-film installations and their output is pitiful compared to crystalline.

A myth promoted by the purveyors of fake news :)

SL - I hope you are being sarcastic...You can't eat money :)
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Re: THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 3 (merged)

Unread postby baha » Mon 12 Jun 2017, 06:54:34

Thin-film solar is like the paris accords. It gives you the warm fuzzy green feeling without making any difference at all :)
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Re: THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 3 (merged)

Unread postby StarvingLion » Wed 14 Jun 2017, 15:38:36

Crystalline silicon PV panels harvest ONLY visible light. Therefore they are intermittent.

Intermittent electricity generators generate economic contraction. They accelerate the APOCALYPSE. They are not fossil fuel extenders.

There is no energy solution other than anti-gravity device to enable robotic ships to extract the methane from Titan.

Wind & Solar are JUNKABLES.

Even TPTB have given up on it and are focused on Shale Technology....hahahaha...more economic contraction and funny money.
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Re: THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 3 (merged)

Unread postby GHung » Wed 14 Jun 2017, 15:55:16

StarvingLion wrote:Crystalline silicon PV panels harvest ONLY visible light. Therefore they are intermittent.

Intermittent electricity generators generate economic contraction. They accelerate the APOCALYPSE. They are not fossil fuel extenders.

There is no energy solution other than anti-gravity device to enable robotic ships to extract the methane from Titan.

Wind & Solar are JUNKABLES.

Even TPTB have given up on it and are focused on Shale Technology....hahahaha...more economic contraction and funny money.



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Re: THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 3 (merged)

Unread postby pstarr » Wed 14 Jun 2017, 16:14:41

I like Starve. It seems that a prerequisite for accepting the obvious truth is INSANITY yikes
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Re: THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 3 (merged)

Unread postby asg70 » Wed 14 Jun 2017, 18:42:42

Starve's views are just insane. You embrace him just because he is predicting a dystopian world that you so very much want to see emerge.

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Re: THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 3 (merged)

Unread postby pstarr » Wed 14 Jun 2017, 19:19:49

asg70 wrote:Starve's views are just insane. You embrace him just because he is predicting a dystopian world that you so very much want to see emerge.

You are wrong on two counts. Starve already sees a dystopian world everywhere. I just see it in our crass mass culture. But I do love it in the the Capital City, the culture and architectural wonders. It's great out in the country also :)

No dystopian future for me. Much rather be surrounded by peace and love. And you?
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Re: THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 3 (merged)

Unread postby asg70 » Thu 15 Jun 2017, 01:22:05

pstarr wrote:I just see it in our crass mass culture.


Whining about "crass mass culture" is a first-world-problem.

Read back in the archives for a description of real dystopia. Empty store shelves, cannibalism, die-off, pandemics, mutant zombie bikers.
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Re: THE Solar Cell Thread Pt. 3 (merged)

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 15 Jun 2017, 06:09:01

StarvingLion wrote:....
Intermittent electricity generators generate economic contraction. They accelerate the APOCALYPSE. They are not fossil fuel extenders.

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Wrong. As fossil fuels are store-able they can be used as needed. Any intermittent power produced by the renewables reduces the use of the fossil fuels at that moment saving that fuel for when the sun goes down and the wind calms. Having say a twenty five percent renewable capacity on a total years production basis will extend fuel supplies by some twenty percent pushing off the point where a fuel crisis might trigger the Apocalypse.
That does not mean they will help or hinder Apocalypses from other causes such as socialist government policies from happening.
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