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The Domino Effect; Post Peak-Oil

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Re: The Domino Effect; Post Peak-Oil

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Thu 01 Jun 2017, 12:18:16

People have definately and without any doubt confidently been predicting TEOTWAWKI since Biblical times - we have the historical records to prove it.

Personally I think it goes back many thousands of years before that, when the local shaman of the ape troop traded his mastery of lightning and other weather phenomena for more food and females. Doom has always been a good business to be in, in spite of all the competition today.

But it's not a healthy preoccupation, either. In fact, it's dangerous. The Jonestown mass suicide was an extreme symptom, Michael Ruppert eating his gun another.

The human race is in overshoot. Nature is correcting the problem, or will soon - within say, two centuries. Don't get even slightly invested in Doom in your lifetime, or you'll be severely disappointed.
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Re: The Domino Effect; Post Peak-Oil

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 01 Jun 2017, 14:30:42

KaiserJeep wrote:People have definately and without any doubt confidently been predicting TEOTWAWKI since Biblical times - we have the historical records to prove it.


Sure. Anyone capable of reading a history book knows this, but the real question is, why won't people pick up that history book and learn this...prior to recycling the same bad ideas over and over again?

Is it really because this is a religious issue for peaker doomers, at its core?

https://www.albertaoilmagazine.com/2007 ... -peak-oil/

kaiserjeep wrote:But it's not a healthy preoccupation, either. In fact, it's dangerous. The Jonestown mass suicide was an extreme symptom, Michael Ruppert eating his gun another.


Matt Savinar did seem to be afraid of his band of happy zealots, there at the end. When he cut the dead albatross of peak oil from around his neck, he did it fast and hard and did a wonderful expose on the religious beliefs that populated LATOC.

kaiserjeep wrote:The human race is in overshoot. Nature is correcting the problem, or will soon - within say, two centuries. Don't get even slightly invested in Doom in your lifetime, or you'll be severely disappointed.


And most folks here, and their kids, and even their kids, all get to die first rather than being anywhere near it!
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Re: The Domino Effect; Post Peak-Oil

Unread postby asg70 » Fri 02 Jun 2017, 09:33:59

AdamB wrote:Matt Savinar did seem to be afraid of his band of happy zealots, there at the end. When he cut the dead albatross of peak oil from around his neck, he did it fast and hard and did a wonderful expose on the religious beliefs that populated LATOC.


I may be misinterpreting your snark but did Matt Savinar ever write any sort of blog post or press release explaining his exit from LATOC?

Another person who has exited the scene is Sharon Astyk. The last time she wrote anything remotely related to doom/sustainability was three years ago and she put her farm up for sale last year.

Ultimately people's actions speak louder than words. Even those here who are still beating the doomer drum so loudly, how many are feverishly prepping like so many were 10 years ago? I think...not many. People still cling to their ideologies for the sake of protecting their fragile egos but at a visceral level most of us have hit the proverbial snooze bar.
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Re: The Domino Effect; Post Peak-Oil

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 02 Jun 2017, 19:18:22

asg70 wrote:
AdamB wrote:Matt Savinar did seem to be afraid of his band of happy zealots, there at the end. When he cut the dead albatross of peak oil from around his neck, he did it fast and hard and did a wonderful expose on the religious beliefs that populated LATOC.


I may be misinterpreting your snark but did Matt Savinar ever write any sort of blog post or press release explaining his exit from LATOC?


He did. Several versions. And then erased them all along with the 2 alternate web forums he attempted to migrate to, as LATOC 1 imploded under the weight of the neediness of its posters.

It was perhaps the most amazing expose of what peak oil leaders thought of their worshipers that I've ever seen or heard of. But Matt couldn't leave it up, and ultimately he edited the first rant (and its foul language) to something more tame but just as revealing, and then he generalized that a little more, and within about 48 hours it all vanished, and it was the opportunity he needed to shut down everythingdown.

It appeared to me that an opportunity came along he could use as an excuse to get the dead albatross from around his neck, and he took it. Rip the bandaid off fast, do the deep dive into palm reading and such. But his honesty, during that weekend....amazing AND revealing.

asg70 wrote:
Another person who has exited the scene is Sharon Astyk. The last time she wrote anything remotely related to doom/sustainability was three years ago and she put her farm up for sale last year.


Quite a few have quietly wandered off. Websites vanished as well. The lobbying arm of peak oil, ASPO USA, has about vanished, changed its name, rewritten their mission statement to become all eco, PCI is doing about the same thing.

asg70 wrote:
Ultimately people's actions speak louder than words. Even those here who are still beating the doomer drum so loudly, how many are feverishly prepping like so many were 10 years ago? I think...not many. People still cling to their ideologies for the sake of protecting their fragile egos but at a visceral level most of us have hit the proverbial snooze bar.


Hard not to when I just bought some gasoline today at <$2.00/gal. Every peak oiler from a decade past is seeing the same thing, and it just puts the lie in the claims of peaks past.
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