dohboi wrote:There were actually elements of limited democracy in some times and places in feudalism. Perhaps, though, we can come up with better forms of governance, perhaps forms not imagined yet?
dohboi wrote:bbbbbut that would be common-ism!!
Ibon wrote:Do any of you see the possibility that the immediate generations to follow who will go through some severe consequences of constraints might well implement, out of necessity, some strong regulations regarding consumption for the greater good. Preserving a "free market" perhaps but the "freedom" part held within some real strict boundaries justified by preserving the commons; air, soil, biodiversity, resources. Is this wishful thinking?
dohboi wrote:Thanks, radon. But do you think proclamations for ecological consciousness is much more than a facade or fashion statement for much of the developed world?
What specific trends or movements do you see as most real and hopeful?
careinke wrote:dohboi wrote:Thanks, radon. But do you think proclamations for ecological consciousness is much more than a facade or fashion statement for much of the developed world?
What specific trends or movements do you see as most real and hopeful?
Obviously I'm not radon, but... I would say organic agriculture, the ANTI GMO and use lots more pesticide movement, Transition Towns, Eat Local, Permaculture, and the ELF to name a few...
Not enough, but you start where you are...
dohboi wrote:But as for "drop in the living standards of a fundamental nature"; I'm not sure exactly what that means.
dohboi wrote:Universal health basic health care and high-quality education could be supplied at fairly low prices and would greatly boost many people's standard of living.
dohboi wrote:IIRC, 80-90% of medical expenses are incurred in the last 6 months of life, on average, in the US.
That seems an enormous expense for very little 'value,' and it should change.
“I think this manic desperation to endlessly extend life is misguided and ...destructive.”
dohboi wrote:My God, I suddenly had an image of thousands of septuagenarians leaping up water falls, then convulsing in orgies in shallow streamlets...
Thanks for that...or not...
All you say is true, but I do think it's important to start having these conversations as a society, so it becomes normalized to think about avoiding strenuous efforts to extend and already superannuated life.
And I'm not sure you really have to go to euthanasia, in the sense of actively dosing someone with a lethal cocktail. Simply allowing natural ailments to take their course rather than intervening heroically would do it in most cases. I would actually call that one means of honoring the OP!
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