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Re: Peak Oil and Collapse in the United States

Unread postby pstarr » Thu 20 Apr 2017, 18:38:20

Cog wrote:Once again Pete, you cried wolf when there was no wolf. How many more times must you stumble around in the snow before anyone with intelligence ignores you forever?

Didn't you repubs cry debit wolf for Obama's entire two terms. As I recollect it was the reason the congress was never able to pass a much-needed infrastructure bill. And Trump thinks he will find the money for trolleys and happy things? laughable

But anyway, where's your evidence it won't be shut down. My six brand-new articles to your zilch.
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Re: Peak Oil and Collapse in the United States

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 08 May 2017, 11:19:49

http://fromfilmerstofarmers.com/blog/20 ... portation/
“When Trucks Stop Running also gives a barrel-by-barrel, kilowatt-by-kilowatt account of why none of our fossil fuel energy sources – not oil, not coal-to-liquids, not natural gas, not even any of their combination – are capable of maintaining the trucking system and thus our current industrial way of life.

Likewise, the book also conveys why no amount or combination of renewable energies are enough to maintain a trucking system which is needed to maintain a… renewable energy system. And sorry, Friedemann also explains why energy storage systems are a crapshoot as well.

In effect, you aren’t going to find much in When Trucks Stop Running to help sell your favourite brand of snake oil in order to prop up your Madison Avenue lifestyle. Otherwise, it’s an excellent read.”
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Re: Peak Oil and Collapse in the United States

Unread postby pstarr » Mon 08 May 2017, 12:03:43

onlooker wrote:http://fromfilmerstofarmers.com/blog/2017/april/book-review-when-trucks-stop-running-energy-and-the-future-of-transportation/
“When Trucks Stop Running also gives a barrel-by-barrel, kilowatt-by-kilowatt account of why none of our fossil fuel energy sources – not oil, not coal-to-liquids, not natural gas, not even any of their combination – are capable of maintaining the trucking system and thus our current industrial way of life.

Likewise, the book also conveys why no amount or combination of renewable energies are enough to maintain a trucking system which is needed to maintain a… renewable energy system. And sorry, Friedemann also explains why energy storage systems are a crapshoot as well.

In effect, you aren’t going to find much in When Trucks Stop Running to help sell your favourite brand of snake oil in order to prop up your Madison Avenue lifestyle. Otherwise, it’s an excellent read.”

I recommend Friedemann's interview and discussion on the Kunstler podcast. The book costs $45 and there are no used copies on Amazon right now. Also not in my local library system. Google ebooks has it for $17
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Re: Peak Oil and Collapse in the United States

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 08 May 2017, 12:40:30

onlooker wrote:http://fromfilmerstofarmers.com/blog/2017/april/book-review-when-trucks-stop-running-energy-and-the-future-of-transportation/
“When Trucks Stop Running also gives a barrel-by-barrel, kilowatt-by-kilowatt account of why none of our fossil fuel energy sources – not oil, not coal-to-liquids, not natural gas, not even any of their combination – are capable of maintaining the trucking system and thus our current industrial way of life.


Elon Musk just laid out his plan to build EV trucks.

In the future when we are all be riding around in robotic EV cars, all the stuff will be delivered by EV robot trucks. According to Elon Musk everything will be EV and everything will be GREAT!

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Re: Peak Oil and Collapse in the United States

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 08 May 2017, 12:44:39

And some of it will happen in Mars to boot haha
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Re: Peak Oil and Collapse in the United States

Unread postby pstarr » Mon 08 May 2017, 12:51:41

onlooker wrote:And some of it will happen in Mars to boot haha

KaiserJeep will be the first on Mars. He has a Robotic EV Powerpack.
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Re: Peak Oil and Collapse in the United States

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 08 May 2017, 14:11:36

onlooker wrote:http://fromfilmerstofarmers.com/blog/2017/april/book-review-when-trucks-stop-running-energy-and-the-future-of-transportation/
“When Trucks Stop Running also gives a barrel-by-barrel, kilowatt-by-kilowatt account of why none of our fossil fuel energy sources – not oil, not coal-to-liquids, not natural gas, not even any of their combination – are capable of maintaining the trucking system and thus our current industrial way of life.

Likewise, the book also conveys why no amount or combination of renewable energies are enough to maintain a trucking system which is needed to maintain a… renewable energy system. And sorry, Friedemann also explains why energy storage systems are a crapshoot as well.

In effect, you aren’t going to find much in When Trucks Stop Running to help sell your favourite brand of snake oil in order to prop up your Madison Avenue lifestyle. Otherwise, it’s an excellent read.”


Would you care to include an assessment of Alan's training in a particularly relevant field of science, or maybe his extensive experience in the oil field in some capacity, or maybe his esteemed credentials as an economist somewhere evaluating these issues in a fair and impartial manner? Or is this just another oil-ignorant blogger who can't be bothered to understand the issues prior to pontificating on them with as much knowledge as he learned from a local Transition Town meet and greet?
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Re: Peak Oil and Collapse in the United States

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 08 May 2017, 14:15:24

onlooker wrote:And some of it will happen in Mars to boot haha


It already has. We shipped off our mineral prospectors there years ago, utilizing solar and nuclear powered transport. We have so much oil and gas here on Earth that it will just take a little longer to get the price point down to where we can all do it here as well.

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Re: Peak Oil and Collapse in the United States

Unread postby pstarr » Mon 08 May 2017, 17:32:43

AdamB wrote:Would you care to include an assessment of Alan's training in a particularly relevant field of science, or maybe his extensive experience in the oil field in some capacity, or maybe his esteemed credentials as an economist somewhere evaluating these issues in a fair and impartial manner?

No one but you are responsible for your tasks. :x They were laid out in the job description. So you get the assessment. :x It was is/was your job, you are/were the intern at Chesapeake Energy. Okay

AdamB, job title . . . "Scammer-In-Chief": "Tight-Shale 'Opportunities' Department" 8) :lol:
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Re: Peak Oil and Collapse in the United States

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 08 May 2017, 17:39:55

Yeah better do the Mars thing pronto. The infrastructure in the US is beginning seriously falter
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Re: Peak Oil and Collapse in the United States

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 08 May 2017, 18:53:14

onlooker wrote:Yeah better do the Mars thing pronto. The infrastructure in the US is beginning seriously falter


Thats exactly what Steven Hawking is saying. He used to say we needed to migrate to another planet in the next thousands years---now he says we've got to migrate to another planet ASAP.

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Re: Peak Oil and Collapse in the United States

Unread postby AdamB » Tue 09 May 2017, 18:02:15

pstarr wrote:
AdamB wrote:Would you care to include an assessment of Alan's training in a particularly relevant field of science, or maybe his extensive experience in the oil field in some capacity, or maybe his esteemed credentials as an economist somewhere evaluating these issues in a fair and impartial manner?

No one but you are responsible for your tasks. :x


Having spoken with Alan, you could also say that my question was rhetorical, only wondering if the person who accessed him as a reference worth reading understood his absolute lack of training and expertise in any of the underlying issues he uses as conditionals in his writing, primarily that everything is related to peak oil and, like you, he believes it has already happened, proving mostly that he can't even figure out which number is larger than another number. So you and him would probably get along jim dandy fine, although I think he does have a better grasp on this reality, and is a kind hearted enough person that he might object to folks getting buzzed while watching a decent clear cutting, or Americans happily celebrating the death of beautiful sea mammals. No..I am certain of it, he would be as disgusted by those antics as most of us environmentally conscious folks would.
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