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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 12 Apr 2017, 20:01:37

Cid, you are trying to change the subject. This thread is about the prosecution of Exxon-Mobil, originally for Climate Change liability during the second half of Obama's second term. That prosecution is dead in the water, unable to produce the requested facts.

The later article indicated above is about Exxon-Mobil's overstatement of oil reserves. That is not criminal, but may well effect the stock price.

Take your Trump bashing to an appropriate thread, it has no purpose here.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 12 Apr 2017, 20:15:28

Right, moron. I've had just about enough of you. You have proved yourself the poster child for abortion.

Please note:

US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has also appeared to support geoengineering, describing climate change as an “engineering problem.” ExxonMobil’s funding of the climate denial industry is under investigation by attorney generals in the United States, but it’s less well known that ExxonMobil scientists under Tillerson’s reign as CEO were leading developers of geo-engineering technologies like carbon dioxide removal.

Asked about solutions to climate change at an ExxonMobil shareholder meeting in 2015, Tillerson said that a “plan B has always been grounded in our beliefs around the continued evolution of technology and engineered solutions.”


Also note the title of the thread: ExxonMobil Hit with Climate Change Investigation.

So not off topic.

You are not welcome to try and dictate what can and cannot be posted. Idiot.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 12 Apr 2017, 20:20:21

You provided no link for your text, causing me to assume you faked it. Where is your quote from?

Also note, this is your one warning about ad hominem attacks.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 12 Apr 2017, 20:28:36

KaiserJeep wrote:You provided no link for your text, causing me to assume you faked it. Where is your quote from?

Also note, this is your one warning about ad hominem attacks.


Not ad hominem, direct to your face in a reply to your contentions. And not an attack, just stating the facts. Try looking for the quote in the article I just posted, that HAS a link. You know, the one you apparently didn't read, but decided to attack as off topic.

You want to dish it out, we'll serve it right back.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 12 Apr 2017, 21:07:01

I haven't dished anything out, what I did give you you richly deserved, because Trump-bashing in this thread is in fact, off-topic.

Someone who uses Thomas Paine as his avatar should also strive for his accuracy and clarity of thought.

So let us simply and quickly check your credentials as either a credible critic or fraud:

1) Do you in fact own one or more vehicles with fuel tanks?

2) Do you consume more grid power than you produce from renewable sources?

3) Do you heat your living space with oil, natural gas, or coal-source grid electricity?

4) Do you have carbon offsets for the above sins against the planet?
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 12 Apr 2017, 21:17:15

Trump Bashing? I just posted the facts. You may not like them, but what they are planning is criminal.

David Schnare, an architect of Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency transition, has lobbied the US government and testified to Senate in favour of federal support for geoengineering.

He has called for a multi-phase plan to fund research and conduct real-world testing within 18 months, deploy massive stratospheric spraying three years after, and continue spraying for a century, a duration geoengineers believe would be necessary to dial back the planet’s temperature.

Scientific modelling has shown that stratospheric spraying could drastically curtail rainfall throughout Asia, Africa and South America, causing severe droughts and threatening food supply for billions of people.


We are talking mass murder. On a scale Hitler couldn't even dream of. By starvation and loss of surface water resources. All so we don't cut into Exxon's profits.

In fact, enhance Exxon profits by using their Geoengineering technology they so conveniently have already developed.

At some point someone has to stand up and shout NO!

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--

because I was not a communist;

Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--

because I was not a socialist;

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--

because I was not a trade unionist;

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--

because I was not a Jew;

Then they came for me--

and there was no one left to speak out for me. - Martin Niemoller



So will the next version be:

First to die were the Indians, but I was not Indian

Then died the South Americans, but I was not South American

Next died the Africans, but I was not African

Now we are dying, and there is no one to save us


Just because it's unflattering to Trump doesn't make it Trump bashing.

And if it curtails rainfall in China, do you think they will just lay down and die?
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 12 Apr 2017, 22:10:43

Supporter: "Give 'em hell, Harry."
Truman: "I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.'

How different two presidents who share the same first four letters of their name can be! :-D
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 12 Apr 2017, 22:36:09

I noticed that neither Cid Y nor doughboy bothered to respond to my challenge about their lifestyles and carbon emissions. I will therefore make the logical assumption that both are hypocritical carbon-spewing Boobs. Which is not at all a reference to female anatomy, rather to this critter:
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Meanwhile, the rest of you can choose between the credibility of myself, who does not actually believe in AGW/CC, but who has altered his lifestyle to minimize FF consumption, and two complete hypocrites professing to believe that AGW/CC is real, who have done nothing whatsoever other than express poorly informed opinions about it.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 12 Apr 2017, 22:57:07

Hey, moron.

I produce electricity by wind and solar and SELL electricity to TXU.

My transportation is electric.

As for my boat, I've installed electric engines, Tesla batteries, and solar panels (and a cylindrical wind generator) to recharge while out on the lake.

We heat by electric. We use no gas whatsoever.

I haven't flown anywhere since the 1990's.

Your attempts to intimidate other posters are feeble.

Didn't respond earlier since generally you are not worth responding to. Don't read anything into it other than you are a twit not worth my time.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 12 Apr 2017, 23:09:45

Nice to hear that there is someone else who has avoided flying for a couple decades or so.

The troll, as trolls do, is trying to change the subject, of course.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 12 Apr 2017, 23:37:23

So Cid has gained some credibility but the doughboy still has none.

The subject of this thread is the ongoing investigation of Exxon-Mobil. Which is rightfully dead in the water, no matter what the media flacks and you two clowns want it to be.

Because the people that burn the fuel are responsible for the emissions from the fuel. People like the doughboy.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 15 Apr 2017, 22:50:31

More thoughts on the general subject:

http://climatestate.com/2013/05/03/fals ... y-ecocide/

False climate change data = a Crime Against Humanity/Ecocide

One does not play games, or take chances, when essentially the whole of civilization and humanity may be in peril.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby onlooker » Sat 15 Apr 2017, 23:20:36

One does not play games, or take chances, when essentially the whole of civilization and humanity may be in peril.
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I have to confess that it irks me some, to hear in some postings that the general population is as guilty as a corporation who knowingly hid critical information about the product it was selling. A product that could potentially cause a Mass Extinction Event
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby Subjectivist » Sun 16 Apr 2017, 10:26:56

onlooker wrote:
One does not play games, or take chances, when essentially the whole of civilization and humanity may be in peril.


I have to confess that it irks me some, to hear in some postings that the general population is as guilty as a corporation who knowingly hid critical information about the product it was selling. A product that could potentially cause a Mass Extinction Event[/quote]

A thousand things could "potentially cause a Mass Extinction Event" and yt you choose to only call out large corporations.

Your own state and federal governments eagerly comit all kinds of offenses as bad or worse as anything Exxon has ever done. In the last century alone they have falsified reports for political gain, inflated the currency to nearly worthless condition, manufactured millions of tons of chemicals that are deadly both by design and merely as a side effect, constructed enough nuclear weapons to destroy civilization and eliminate thousands of species in a flash... I could go on but hopefully you get my point.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 16 Apr 2017, 10:37:22

While your general point is true Sub, I take issue with "A thousand things could "potentially cause a Mass Extinction Event". Also, other than nuclear weapons I see the other offenses by Corporations more akin to the argument which I just made. That is that culpability lies in the masses for accepting and thriving with our Industrial Civilization, so this is part and parcel of the human species trajectory.
However, the issue with Exxon again is of intentionally misleading the Public about AGW. I would also signal out the US govt and Russia and China for their irresponsible nuclear arms race. So, the issue in question is a deceptive and irresponsible attitude that has and is putting the entire human species at risk.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby vox_mundi » Wed 23 Aug 2017, 08:53:11

ExxonMobil 'Double Speak' On Climate Laid Bare

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ExxonMobil knowingly misled the public for decades about the danger climate change poses to a warming world and the company's long-term viability, according to a peer-reviewed study, released on Wednesday, of research and statements by the US oil giant.

An analysis of nearly 200 documents spanning decades found that four-fifths of scientific studies and internal memos acknowledged global warming is real and caused by humans, while the same proportion of hundreds of paid editorials in major US newspapers over the same period cast deep doubt on these widely accepted facts.

The study, published in the journal Environmental Research Letters, also cites ExxonMobil calculations that capping global warming at under two degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit)—the goal enshrined in the landmark Paris climate accord—would impose sharp limits on the amount of fossil fuels that could be burned, and thus potentially affect the firm's growth
"The Harvard research shows systemic bias in sowing public doubt, while acknowledging the risks privately," ... "That is at the heart of the investigations."

"Using social science methods, we found a gaping, systematic discrepancy between what Exxon said about climate change in private and academic circles, and what is said to the public."

As early as 1979, when climate change barely registered as an issue for the public, Exxon was sounding internal alarms.

"The most widely held theory is that... the increase in atmospheric CO2 is due to fossil fuel combustion," an internal memo from that year read.

A peer-reviewed study by Exxon scientists 17 years later concluded that "the body of evidence... now points towards a discernable human influence on global climate."

At the same time, however, the company was spending tens of millions of dollars to place editorials in The New York Times and other influential newspapers that delivered a very different message.

"Let's face it: The science of climate change is too uncertain to mandate a plan of action that could plunge economies into turmoil," Exxon opined in 1997, as the Bill Clinton administration faced overwhelming opposition in Congress to US ratification of the Kyoto Protocol.

Assessing ExxonMobil's climate change communications (1977–2014)
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Re: Want to Stop Climate Change? Take the FF Industry to cou

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 23 Nov 2017, 19:35:18

'We should be on the offensive' – James Hansen calls for wave of climate lawsuits
Veteran climate scientist says litigation campaign against government and fossil fuels companies is essential alongside political mobilisation in fighting ‘growing, mortal threat’ of global warming
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... e-lawsuits
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Re: Want to Stop Climate Change? Take the FF Industry to cou

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 23 Nov 2017, 21:39:38

onlooker wrote: With fossil fuels and that was my point we cannot at this time steer away from them as they still form the bedrock energy wise of our economies.


Speak for yourself. Someone of us are managing quite fine not using any liquid fuels to commute to work, run to the grocery, go see a movie, or even drag race other non-liquid fuel burning autos out of stop lights! Now THAT is some proof of moving away from liquid fuels, still being able to do impromptu red light drag racing for fun in suburbia!
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Re: Want to Stop Climate Change? Take the FF Industry to cou

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 24 Nov 2017, 14:47:25

AdamB wrote:
onlooker wrote: With fossil fuels and that was my point we cannot at this time steer away from them as they still form the bedrock energy wise of our economies.


Speak for yourself. Someone of us are managing quite fine not using any liquid fuels to commute to work, run to the grocery, go see a movie, or even drag race other non-liquid fuel burning autos out of stop lights! Now THAT is some proof of moving away from liquid fuels, still being able to do impromptu red light drag racing for fun in suburbia!

Let's not be disingenuous. Do you think you're REALLY not using any products derived by fossil fuels? Using less fossil fuels is commendable, much more so if the electricity to run your green tech is coming from something other than fossil fuels.

However, first world life still has lots of fossil fuels involved in the lifestyle people lead, including building green tech. like solar and wind sources.

Now, I think this can change substantially (though perhaps not completely) over the next three to five decades -- but we're FAR from being there yet, even if your wife does drive a PHEV. And, I'm 99.9% sure you're well aware of that.
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Re: ExxonMobil hit with climate change investigation in New

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 20 Jul 2018, 18:25:50

BREAKING: A district court just dismissed New York's climate lawsuit against five big oil companies.

"Global warming and solutions thereto must be addressed by the two other branches of government."

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