Exploring Hydrocarbon Depletion
onlooker wrote:Your free to continue with Fox News or whatever other fake news you follow. Maybe something like this and I quote this absurd statement: That is, infinite economic growth is possible, as long as:
i) the amount of raw materials extracted and energy produced is at or below some base sustainable level;
ii) any additional negative externalities (ie. pollution) are kept below the “sink” capacity of nature; and
iii) we have a fiat money system."
So, how are you going to do that with rabbits out of a hat. Or else the author does not really mean economic growth but an optimization of our current system
http://www.progressive-economics.ca/200 ... -possible/
KaiserJeep wrote:Those few humans that enter space will have a difficult struggle, but everybody left on Earth has an even greater struggle as they compete for dwindling resources . . .
what mistakes?KaiserJeep wrote: took the time to explain this for the umpteenth time, and I know you still prefer your version of what I believe to mine. Which means that YOU are as clueless as onlooker, as you are making the same mistakes.
we agree hereKaiserJeep wrote:I think most people here at PO.com understand that NOTHING WHATSOEVER will save a planet where humans reproduce without any limits. The first culling is coming when oil gets too expensive to use for growing food, and the Third World starves, along with half of the Second World countries. The First World countries can survive as long as we close our borders to refugees and allow Mother Nature to cull the human herd.
KaiserJeep wrote:But don't hold your breath, the human herd is riddled with stupid lefties who want to stampede over the cliff of open borders.
KaiserJeep wrote:Pete, it's not partisan, it's practical. When the borders are closed, the USA will gradually decline to a sustainable population. With open borders, we too will die. I don't actually think we will close our national borders anytime soon enough to matter, which means we in the USA will die. The only survivors will be those off-planet.
KaiserJeep wrote:I understand that a total lack of critical thinking, plus an unshaken faith that beliefs trump reality every single time, is a requirement to be a lefty. Well, you might consider letting the real world between your ears on occasion.
onlooker wrote:I am not sure where your partisan tirade came from Kaiser. I guess from my mention of Fox news. I simply was alluding to an example of mainstream news. I could just as easily have said CNN or MSNBC. I think it is telling how you immediately interpret it as some partisan biased comments. As for your analysis that economic growth is associated with population reduction that is a complex issue. You cannot say that people who are at the edge of survival are automatically going to overpopulate given that any further scarcity can send that population into precipitous decline. Which is what my statement tried to convey, that sufficient food, medicine, transportation, good sanitation etc. all product of a sufficiently robust economic system would enable populations to survive and thus grow.
All my line of thought precipitated by Asg, attacking the credibility of the site Zerohedge, because apparently it is a little to blunt and stark for his liking. Well, mainstream news of which Fox is part of make commentaries and editorials that rather shy away from bluntness in favor of unrealistic and downright false notions. We can argue this last point endlessly. I simply do not trust mainstream news and the Establishment as they have been consistently transmitting false information on the airwaves and mediums of communication. For example Exxon, on climate change, Cigarette companies on tobacco, Govt. reports about the Economy, about true international motivations and maneuvers, about spying on the public at large, about domestic policies that have are portrayed as beneficial but are not, such as the War on Drugs, Immigration policy etc. About economic policies whose true motivations are to further the aims of Corporations and the well heeled rather than the average citizen. And so on.
I am seriously tired of hearing over and over again from some on this site this naive and old/tired version of a reality which simply does not exist. The reason I stay is because at least all of you here understand the fact that ALL this is very unsustainable. The sheeple at large in the world do not even see that. They are no better than zombies unable to understand anything beyond their immediate survival.
So you seriously believe that a Mexican/US border will somehow prevent your annihilation from global industrial collapse?
pstarr wrote:The border is a joke, desert for hundreds of miles on either side. It's not those maniacal latino drug dealers you need to worry about. Without gasoline they will be stuck 1,000 south in Mexico and Central America. It's the Los Angelenos on our side of the border. Take away their sushi and water and they will migrate. All the way to your groovy SF pied-à-terre.
pstarr wrote:Peak oil industrial collapse replete with killer drones and autonomous hellfire missiles. Okay. That is what I call cognitive dissonance lol
Tell me this is satirethe last two survivors will be connected via voice/text/video on their smartphones.
pstarr wrote:KJ, did you just say AI? You don't seriously believe Siri will save us?
onlooker wrote:Tell me this is satirethe last two survivors will be connected via voice/text/video on their smartphones.
Maybe, psychic/telepathy communication
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