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+2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 14 Mar 2017, 03:31:16

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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 14 Mar 2017, 03:53:47

You've got to be kidding. There are 7,400,000,000 people on Earth more or less. That would be about 80 people per car. Didn't you even check the math before posting?
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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby Cog » Tue 14 Mar 2017, 04:44:46

Maybe its common core math.
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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 14 Mar 2017, 07:12:17

How many people where born (produced) in 2016?

~ 80 Million.

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby AdamB » Tue 14 Mar 2017, 12:35:18

M_B_S wrote:Have fun driving your SUV!


Neanderthal drivers buy SUVs. Discerning and environmentally conscious folks don't even burn gasoline or diesel anymore as they flit to and fro, shaking their heads at folks who want to stick with their horse and buggies as the transition blows past them.

Peak oil begat the Volt, peak oil fears vanished first under a flood of new supply, but will be put down forever by the BOLT!!

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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby jedrider » Tue 14 Mar 2017, 15:23:10

No problem. Cars are learning how to drive themselves. People may become obsolete.
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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 14 Mar 2017, 16:03:54

AdamB, I like your enthusiasm, and I personally am a fan of EVs. But in the US we bought 159,139 EVs in 2016, out of 17,550,000 total vehicles. That is in fact up 37% over EV sales in 2015, but still only a 0.9% market share. This is simply not enough to make a dent in oil use, the demand for oil is still increasing.
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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby dissident » Tue 14 Mar 2017, 17:29:03

KaiserJeep wrote:AdamB, I like your enthusiasm, and I personally am a fan of EVs. But in the US we bought 159,139 EVs in 2016, out of 17,550,000 total vehicles. That is in fact up 37% over EV sales in 2015, but still only a 0.9% market share. This is simply not enough to make a dent in oil use, the demand for oil is still increasing.


You can thank the market-tards setting pricing policy at all the main car makers/importers in the USA. Getting a hybrid variant of the RAV4, for example, means an $8,000 markup (including tax) here in Canada and a similar policy is followed in the USA. The same "luxury" pricing model is applied to diesel engines. Chrysler charges a hefty premium for the diesel option on the Grand Cherokee even though in the rest of the world there is no extra cost. As there shouldn't be. The pricing has nothing to do with the cost of the engine and everything to do with "marketing".

American (Canadian) auto makers and the foreign auto makers in the North American market are doing everything they can to undermine fuel efficient car sales.
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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Wed 15 Mar 2017, 09:14:21

"American (Canadian) auto makers and the foreign auto makers in the North American market are doing everything they can to undermine fuel efficient car sales." Yep, same damn problem with the free market where consumers are allowed to buy what the want instead of what they should. LOL.
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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Wed 15 Mar 2017, 09:21:09

MBS - You do make a great point but also get some of the blame for the confusion: "2016 More vehicles produced than humans produced on earth that year". It does emphasize that much of the worsening of our energy predicament is a result of many folks improving their lifestyles.
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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Wed 15 Mar 2017, 09:33:06

And to be a tad more accurate: I doubt many new borns bought a vehicle last year. Taking into account the lag time about 76 million were added to the global population 18 years ago. Of course not all of them survived to 2016.
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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby dissident » Sat 18 Mar 2017, 10:55:59

ROCKMAN wrote:"American (Canadian) auto makers and the foreign auto makers in the North American market are doing everything they can to undermine fuel efficient car sales." Yep, same damn problem with the free market where consumers are allowed to buy what the want instead of what they should. LOL.


Look up the definition of a free market before spouting off. The car market is clearly an oligopoly. Clearly you have no clue what that term even means. Do you also consider a single producer market a "free" market.
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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 18 Mar 2017, 12:50:32

jedrider wrote:No problem. Cars are learning how to drive themselves. People may become obsolete.


The value of the car driving me to work is to increase the time I spend doing the things the car can't do.
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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sat 18 Mar 2017, 13:08:36

"Look up the definition of a free market before spouting off." Free market definition from Merriam Webster: "An economic market or system in which prices are based on competition among private businesses and not controlled by a government" Such as the US auto market where prices are based on competition among private businesses and not controlled by a government. Competition generated from buyers who decide on their own whether to pay $100k for an EV from Musk or $35k to Chevy. Or pay $12k to Kia for a 40 mpg car or pay $60k for a 4X4 dually V-8 PU from Dodge that gets 14 mpg.

Sounds like a f*cking free market to me according to the definition. LOL.
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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 18 Mar 2017, 13:16:54

KaiserJeep wrote:AdamB, I like your enthusiasm, and I personally am a fan of EVs. But in the US we bought 159,139 EVs in 2016, out of 17,550,000 total vehicles.


An amazingly large number in such a short period of time since peak oil way back when brought our need to stop wasting liquid fuels in our cars, I agree. Remember when folks claimed that peak oil itself would stop these kinds of solutions, and then it didn't, and now there are 159K buying EVs!!

Unfortunately, peak oil also caused an expected production response, although I think that doubling US oil production was far more of response than most expected, and that supply response was enough to screw up global oil prices to the point where most folks are quite happy with real gasoline prices in the States getting back to early 1970's levels. And then rush out and buy those SUVs.

But even I see the sense in it, been discussing with the wife the fleet composition, and it might be something like a Bolt for all normal duties, and then a nice Expedition to do traveling outside the Bolt's radius. Although that seems a bit overkill for the half dozen times a year it might be needed. But still, based on what industry has managed to go, and is currently doing even at the $50/bbl level, we might be looking at these low fuel prices for a long time. Let's here it for the rapacious free market of the oil bizness!

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That is in fact up 37% over EV sales in 2015, but still only a 0.9% market share. This is simply not enough to make a dent in oil use, the demand for oil is still increasing.


The demand for oil is certainly still increasing. But it isn't for me, it has gotten so bad around my home that we don't even know the price of gasoline is except maybe once or twice a year, either when road tripping or needing to fill the lawnmower. I suppose with spring coming I'll need to go back out again sometime in the next couple months and see what gasoline prices are like.

But that world consuming more? Folks far more energy intelligent than us peaker types are looking at growth in consumption, and efficiency, and structural changes in consumption, and they are seeing peak demand, not peak oil. Of course, they are actual experts (we only have one expert of that caliber who stops in, Mike Lynch) but his peers are latching onto peak demand. She might be biased, she drives an EV like the wife's, but that just means that smart women think alike.

http://www.resilience.org/stories/2015- ... -excerpts/
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Re: +2016 More vehicles produced than humans on earth+

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 18 Mar 2017, 13:18:58

ROCKMAN wrote:"Look up the definition of a free market before spouting off." Free market definition from Merriam Webster: "An economic market or system in which prices are based on competition among private businesses and not controlled by a government" Such as the US auto market where prices are based on competition among private businesses and not controlled by a government. Competition generated from buyers who decide on their own whether to pay $100k for an EV from Musk or $35k to Chevy. Or pay $12k to Kia for a 40 mpg car or pay $60k for a 4X4 dually V-8 PU from Dodge that gets 14 mpg.

Sounds like a f*cking free market to me according to the definition. LOL.


Rockman caught the Dissident napping...poor Dissident.

Rockman is of course right, people buy what they want to buy, and can afford to buy, and as long as that choice exists, you've got some free market action happening!
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