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Re: Beginning of the End for the EU?

Unread postby sparky » Mon 27 Jun 2016, 03:32:27

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A perfect summary of Britain position on the EU ,
three decade of watching events have only convinced me of its accuracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE
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Re: Beginning of the End for the EU?

Unread postby ennui2 » Mon 27 Jun 2016, 11:56:44

A little more on the topic of what Brexit means for AGW policy. No, it's not positive.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016 ... picks=true
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Re: Beginning of the End for the EU?

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 02 Jan 2017, 18:29:07

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... e-all.html
Collapse of the eurozone

This financial crisis will be a turning point for the EU’s flawed currency system. Greece will be forced to return to the drachma — triggering a chain reaction which will quickly see Italy, Cyprus, Spain and other southern European countries follow suit and abandon the euro. Greece, Italy (by now back to using its old currency, the lira) and others will declare national bankruptcy and refuse to pay their debts.

Small savers and depositors across Europe will see their investments wiped out, setting off riots. Paralysed by such chaos, the European Central Bank will fail as member states will refuse to fund its losses.

Watch out for an acrimonious battle over who owns the European Central Bank’s billions of worthless debt. In the short term, this will set off a round of crashing stockmarkets and economic depression.

However, there is an up-side. Freed from the straitjacket of the euro, many European countries will bounce back to economic health.
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Re: Beginning of the End for the EU?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 02 Jan 2017, 21:09:43

onlooker wrote:However, there is an up-side. Freed from the straitjacket of the euro, many European countries will bounce back to economic health

Not seeing how that is likely or even possible.
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Re: Beginning of the End for the EU?

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 17 Apr 2017, 11:02:20

Czech Republic: We’d Rather Risk EU Penalties Than be Forced to Take Migrants

The Czech Republic is not prepared to accept any more than the 12 migrants it has already taken under the quota scheme set up by the European Union (EU) even if that means facing sanctions, the nation’s interior minister has said.
“Ongoing security checks show that the country can no longer accept anyone else”, said Milan Chovanec, noting that the Czech Republic has so far received 12 of the 1,600 migrants it has been ordered to take in under the terms of the EU quota deal.

Vetting so-called refugees is “complicated”, the minister explained, adding that migrants “have not even been willing to remain in place [in Greek and Italian camps, while security checks take place”.

“We check thoroughly and in detail during the process, which takes between several weeks and more than two months.

“But these people [that the Czech Republic have been told to take in as refugees] were not prepared to remain in place while being vetted. Because of that, we haven’t given them security clearance.”

Confirming that the country “has no further plans to adopt more migrants”, Mr Chovanec raised the issue of repeated threats from Brussels to punish states which are refusing to go along with the EU’s agenda to push migrants from the third world on unwilling countries.

“The Czech Republic does not plan to adopt more migrants”, he said, acknowledging that this stance is likely to result in Brussels imposing sanctions against the country, “perhaps in the range of several million Euros”.

“It is then up to the government to assess if it’s worth paying the penalty or not. In my opinion – yes. You cannot let people here without running all the checks.”

The Czech minister’s position is likely to come as a blow to Brussels, as last week the EU told Hungary and Poland they face legal action if their populist governments continue to resist orders to take in migrants from the third world.

Warsaw and Budapest have strongly opposed the scheme, which seeks to move 160,000 people from Italy and Greece into other EU nations. Fewer than 20,000 people have been resettled so far even though the programme is due to end in September this year.

“If Member States do not increase their relocations soon, the Commission will not hesitate to make use of its powers … for those which have not complied,” the bloc’s executive arm said in a statement.

Italy, along with Germany, Sweden, Austria, and France have been vocal in demanding the EU cut subsidies to Hungary and Poland for their refusal to welcome migrants.

But Reuters reported that, worried about rising Euroskepticism, officials in Brussels are split on whether to open legal proceedings against Hungary and Poland.


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Re: Beginning of the End for the EU?

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 17 Apr 2017, 11:30:37

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/16/europe/mi ... is-europe/
Mediterranean rescuers accuse Europe of 'leaving migrants to drown'
Indications are growing that Europe cannot/will not be taking in more migrants
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Re: European Union falling apart

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 20 Aug 2020, 22:19:19

Here is a novel plan dating back to 1930 that would have physically integrated Great Britain into Europe and opened up a vast new arable zone for development. Essentially the plan was to build a series of dikes along the profile where the North Sea is shallow between Great Britain and Denmark in the north and Great Britain and Belgium in the south. The rivers that currently empty into these areas of the North Sea were to be diverted by canals to empty outside the new dry area which would need a great deal of pumping much like the current Dutch "Polder" system of diked off and dried lagoons.

1930: The Plan To Drain And Dam The North Sea And Create DOGGERLAND - Flashbak

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IN September 1930, plans were created to increase the size of Europe by linking the British Isles to the Continent. The new one would be called…DOGGERLAND.

Make your own jokes.

North Sea Drainage Project to Increase Area of Europe

If the extensive schemes for the drainage of North Sea are carried out according to the plan illustrated above, which was conceived by a group of eminent English scientists, 100,000 square miles will be added to the overcrowded continents of Europe. The reclaimed land will be walled in with enormous dykes, similar to the Netherland dykes, to protect it from the sea, and the various rivers flowing into the North Sea will have their courses diverted to different outlets by means of canals.
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Re: European Union falling apart

Unread postby sparky » Fri 21 Aug 2020, 01:57:28

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The UE big problem is of having expanded to the point of being bloated ,
its institutions work on the basis of consensus and Germany paying for it
Germany in exchange is dominating the Whole EU with its economy
The problem is that Germany is leadership shy , especially under the Squid Merkel
her meaningful silences are more like a complete lack of ideas
the Mediterranean South has been castrated by their bad economies
the North Europe is too small to make a difference and on the whole are quite happy to sail with no direction
East Europe are a crazy bunch ,
either stealing everything they can , scratching old wounds to make them bleed anew or getting re-elected of rank populism

the EU however is much more resilient than can be imagined ,
while quite spineless it is as tough as leather , it has the secret of survival ,
it is any public servant dream and a well filled politician trough
compromise for its survival will always be presented
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Re: European Union falling apart

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 21 Aug 2020, 11:33:24

sparky wrote:.
The UE big problem is of having expanded to the point of being bloated ,
its institutions work on the basis of consensus and Germany paying for it
Germany in exchange is dominating the Whole EU with its economy
The problem is that Germany is leadership shy , especially under the Squid Merkel
her meaningful silences are more like a complete lack of ideas
the Mediterranean South has been castrated by their bad economies
the North Europe is too small to make a difference and on the whole are quite happy to sail with no direction
East Europe are a crazy bunch ,
either stealing everything they can , scratching old wounds to make them bleed anew or getting re-elected of rank populism

the EU however is much more resilient than can be imagined ,
while quite spineless it is as tough as leather , it has the secret of survival ,
it is any public servant dream and a well filled politician trough
compromise for its survival will always be presented


If the EU is such a powerful entity why did the UK fight so hard to get out?
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Re: European Union falling apart

Unread postby dissident » Fri 21 Aug 2020, 12:07:08

The EU is the result of a creeping bureaucratic power grab. Somehow a customs union and eventually currency union project became a political union project with no discussion of this for decades. Regulations and currency do not imply politics even if the two are obviously linked. The ridiculous referendums such as the one in Ireland held during the 1990s where the initial no vote was ignored until a yes vote was obtained say it all.

The no-representative political structure we see camped in Brussels is a natural result of this non-democratic and non-transparent process to form a political union. The lack of actual union functionality as we saw in the case of the financial crisis in Greece highlights this as well. It is a con job to the core. The UK got out since it got sick and tired of being dictated by the clowns in Brussels.

But there was a lot of resistance in the UK to Brexit. The EU project serves some interests very well.
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Re: European Union falling apart

Unread postby argyle » Tue 09 Feb 2021, 09:41:34

Why the UK left the EU..

From my point of view, they have never been really part of it.. and resentment to EU was fueled by the UK Political class as a scapegoat. A lot of good regulation comes out of Brussels (tackling issue across an entire economic/political area, which one country on it's own could not have done), however if UK Politicians always blame the EU, and never defend it's benefits then you foster an atmosphere where people long back to the "British Empire" or the "good old day'" (although they might not have been better, just different).

Next to that, the vote was very tight and I wonder if it (referendum) would be the same result now that the deal is "known" (although the full impact not yet), at the same time, a lot of Europeans are glad there is finally more clarity (since Thatcher negotiated special rules for the UK specifically, which was an error I think).

God did not put all the English on an island for nothing.. (we have a saying)
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Re: European Union falling apart

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 09 Feb 2021, 15:54:14

argyle wrote: A lot of good regulation comes out of Brussels (tackling issue across an entire economic/political area, which one country on it's own could not have done)


And a lot of bad regulation comes out of the EU, forcing rules on people that are very inappropriate to their local circumstances.

argyle wrote:...the vote was very tight and I wonder if it (referendum) would be the same result now


The EU has now pretty much disgraced itself by its incompetence and failure to arrange for vaccines for the people of the EU. The EU has even been trying to steal vaccines already purchased by the UK.....something that was not appreciated by the Brits.

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