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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 23 Jul 2016, 05:30:03

Ever since the coup attempt was defeated, flag-waving Turks have nightly thronged city plazas across the country, rallying around nationalism, Islam, and democracy.

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Turkey's confusing.. were Erdogan AND the gulenists BOTH islamicizing the country?

The 3,000 judges he removed -- who does he replace them with, fundy muslims that are loyal to him, and more fundamentalist than gulenists? It's rather confusing.. Erdogan's been making a caliphate, yet there's a protest sign saying it's gulenists that wanted a caliphate.

Erdogan's purge of the gulenists, continues:

Turkey's Erdogan orders closure of more schools, extends detention period

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has ordered the closure of more than 1,000 private schools and extended the period in which some suspects can be detained without charge, in his first decree since declaring a three-month state of emergency.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-emergency-idUSKCN1030BC
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 23 Jul 2016, 08:08:01

It's not Turkey that is confusing. It's all the nonsense phony spun news that is confusing.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sun 24 Jul 2016, 23:37:03

I haven't been following Turkey developments but saw these headlines on drudge, yikes:

Turkey arrests 62 schoolchildren for TREASON...

Ten thousand prisoners 'raped, starved and hogtied'...

'Law is suspended'...

Massive Fire Near NATO Base...

Coup attempt raises nuclear concern...

The Crisis of Political Islam...


TURKEY has arrested more than 60 school kids and accused them of TREASON.

The incarcerated kids families and lawyers fear their sons could be denied a fair trial due to mass purges in Turkey’s judiciary and anti coup protesters hunger for vengeance.

Emre’s terrified mother said the boys were subjected to a mass preliminary hearing in just one crowded courtroom which their families were barred from entering.

She added: “They got just two to three minutes to testify.”

He said: “Our son went to this school because he loved Atatürk and it was his decision to enrol.

“We have nothing to do with Gülen’s organisation.

“We have no sympathy for them.”

Interrupting his wife added: “They are just children.

“They are innocent.

“The state needs to separate the guilty ones from the innocent ones.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1493143/turkey-arrests-62-school-kids-for-treason-following-last-weeks-failed-coup/
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 25 Jul 2016, 00:59:16

Since the signs are in English, they were passed out to the crowd by the government and are intended for US to read.

Do you really think the average Turk can read or write English?

The ones carrying them probably have no idea what they say. They were just told to carry them.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 25 Jul 2016, 02:43:21

BahamasEd wrote:I think that Erdogan just threw the CIA out of Turkey, they won't like that so expect something bad to come Turkey's way.

At least they will try. The game is on


Something I've been watching... USN vessels transiting the Bosphorus are now getting the full security escort; and the RuNavy vessels are getting the single, two man, patrol boat. Complete flip flop.

I'm starting to buy the US influenced coup / Putin e-warfare pickup and snitch line.

If Erdogan is really of that opinion, then NATO is in for a rough ride; units involved were definitely NATO tied parts of the Turkish mil; won't be long before NATO allies start wondering if "Prompt Global Strike" is meant to keep them in line, and not protect them from some distant adversary.

Do not like what was attempted, AT ALL.
NATO is a treaty obligation, if there were US mil ties, we need some trials for treason, not coverups and hand-waving dismissals.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 25 Jul 2016, 03:17:37

A massive fire erupted near a NATO base in western Turkey. Authorities are investigating the fire as a possible act of anti-American sabotage.
The inferno started on Sunday evening in western Turkey. The fire blew through the grassy wooded area and is now perilously near NATO’s military base pushed forward by strong winds. ...

Although Washington maintains its largest overseas nuclear arsenal in Turkey, consisting of up to 90 tactical nuclear weapons, the US atomic weapons stockpile is stored at Incirlik air base and no such weapons of mass destruction are reportedly stored at the Izmir base.
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160725/1043572493/fire-turkey-nato-sabotage-erdogan.html
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 25 Jul 2016, 03:25:58

AgentR11 wrote:if there were US mil ties, we need some trials for treason, not coverups and hand-waving dismissals.


CRAZY, pro Erdogan newspaper in Turkey says a "US general led the coup:"

Pro-Erdogan Islamist Paper Said US General Led Coup Prior to NATO Base Fire

eni Safak, printed the image of NATO International Security Assistance Force Commander Army General John F. Campbell accusing the US military official of plotting the coup against Erdogan in league with US-based cleric Fethullah Gulen.

The conservative Turkish daily newspaper is known for its hardline support of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP). The newspaper is known for inciting violence and spreading disinformation about Gezi protesters during the 2013-2014 protests in Turkey, threatening journalists for other news outlets saying “they will pay a heavy price for treason,” and fabricating interviews.

Hours after the publication of the article, the NATO military base in Izmir became victim of a mass fire that continues to rage on at this hour despite desperate attempts by forces to contain the blaze using helicopter and airplane water drops. The fire threatens US munitions stockpiles at the base which could result in a severe exacerbation of the fire, loss of expensive weaponry, and safety dangers.

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That's OBVIOUSLY utter, INSANE, delusional, crazy propaganda.

What's more concerning though is why they would print that.. is that newspaper state controlled, or a tabloid, or did they get approval from Erdogan's party to print that..
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 25 Jul 2016, 03:29:43

Might just be true.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 25 Jul 2016, 03:55:36

Its not at all OBVIOUSLY anything at this point.

You, nor I, have anywhere close to the information required to judge the truth or false nature of that assertion.

I'm inclined to entertain the notion though that some within the US attempted to organize a coup against a government that was being difficult. Our history doing such a thing is no secret.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 25 Jul 2016, 10:21:08

AgentR11 wrote:Something I've been watching... USN vessels transiting the Bosphorus are now getting the full security escort; and the RuNavy vessels are getting the single, two man, patrol boat. Complete flip flop.

I'm starting to buy the US influenced coup / Putin e-warfare pickup and snitch line.

If Erdogan is really of that opinion, then NATO is in for a rough ride; units involved were definitely NATO tied parts of the Turkish mil; won't be long before NATO allies start wondering if "Prompt Global Strike" is meant to keep them in line, and not protect them from some distant adversary.

Do not like what was attempted, AT ALL.
NATO is a treaty obligation, if there were US mil ties, we need some trials for treason, not coverups and hand-waving dismissals.


Even if it is a completely false story the fact that the USA toppled or encouraged the toppling of the governments of Libya, Egypt, Syria all within the last 6 years makes it very believable that they would do the same with Turkey.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby dissident » Mon 25 Jul 2016, 17:47:26

Cid_Yama wrote:Since the signs are in English, they were passed out to the crowd by the government and are intended for US to read.

Do you really think the average Turk can read or write English?

The ones carrying them probably have no idea what they say. They were just told to carry them.


The Turkish people are screwed every which way. Instead of a compardor caliphate under Gulen they will have the Daesh caliphate of Erdo-turd.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Synapsid » Mon 25 Jul 2016, 19:02:18

CidYama wrote:

"Do you really think the average Turk can read or write English?"

Yes, I do. Partly because English is required in all public schools from grade 2 up through high school and in private schools starting in kindergarten--English is the foreign language taught most widely in Turkey--and partly because I lived in Turkey, in a small town (it was small then; now it has a university and is the second site designated for a nuclear reactor in the country), in 1967 and 1968 and every kid I encountered would ask about any word I used that they weren't familiar with.

Whatever view CidYama has of the "average" Turk it's half a century or more out of date. The question itself betrays arrogance based on ignorance, which I'd suggest is a good working description of prejudice.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 28 Jul 2016, 13:55:50

Erdogan wants army under president's control after coup: Turkish official

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan wants the armed forces and national intelligence agency brought under the control of the presidency, a parliamentary official said on Thursday, part of a major overhaul of the military after a failed coup.

Erdogan's comments came after a five-hour meeting of Turkey's Supreme Military Council (YAS) - chaired by Prime Minister Binali Yildirim and including the top brass - and the dishonorable discharge of nearly 1,700 military personnel over their alleged role in the abortive putsch on July 15-16.

Erdogan, who narrowly escaped capture and possible death on the night of the coup, told Reuters in an interview last week that the military, NATO's second biggest, needed "fresh blood". The dishonorable discharges included around 40 percent of Turkey's admirals and generals.

"The president said that ... he would discuss with opposition parties bringing the General Staff and the MIT (intelligence agency) under the control of the presidency," the parliamentary official said.

Such a change would require a constitutional amendment, so Erdogan's Islamist-rooted AK Party would require the support of opposition parties in parliament, Turkish media said.

Both the General Staff and MIT currently report to the prime minister's office. Putting them under the president's overall direction would be in line with Erdogan's push for a new constitution centered on a strong executive presidency.

Separately, Turkey's biggest petrochemicals company Petkim said its chief executive had resigned and the state-run news agency Anadolu said he had been detained in connection with the failed coup.

Anadolu also said Ankara prosecutors requested the seizure of the assets of 3,049 judges and prosecutors detained as part of the investigation into the coup attempt.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 28 Jul 2016, 16:32:45

@ VOX_Mundi

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1934-08-04 - Vereidigung der Wehrmacht auf den Obersten Befehlshaber Adolf Hitler
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 18:59:45

More plus pretty pictures at low quote
Some 7,000 armed police in heavy vehicles surrounded the Incirlik air base used by NATO forces in Adana in what a Turkish minister called a “security check.” With no official explanation, speculations have arisen about a new coup attempt or VIP visit.

READ MORE: Anti-US rally staged at NATO Incirlik air base in Turkey (VIDEO, PHOTOS)

Hurriyet reported earlier that Adana police had been tipped off about a new coup attempt, and forces were immediately alerted. The entrance to the base was closed off.

Security forces armed with rifles and armored TOMA vehicles used by Turkish riot police could be seen at the site in photos taken by witnesses.


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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 19:39:17

Next they will be taking control of the base (for it's own security of course), and, of course they will need to take control of the nukes we were too slow to remove (just to be safe), and Erdogan becomes major nuclear power.

If I were Erdogan, and they were right there for the taking ... , and we were so nice to have just upgraded their F-16s designed to carry then... and we could surround the base perimeter with forces while still supposedly an 'ally'...

They could easily mobilize a heavier force to quickly arrive and take the base.

Once the nukes were compromised I would immediately scatter then singly around the countryside to prevent their recapture or destruction.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 19:54:48

What's your best guess Cid. What's this jerk up to?
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 19:58:05

I think he's going for the nukes. If you were Hitler II, wouldn't you?

All under the guise of another coup attempt.

He probably got wind we were about to remove them.

If you intended to seize them, the sooner you make your move the better.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 20:14:20

What is our plan if a host country decides to seize the forward deployed nukes? Would we respond fast enough?

In such a circumstance, the best response would be the immediate nuclear destruction of Incirlik, before they can be moved. That would require an order from the President. I don't think he could act that quickly and decisively.
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Re: MILITARY COUP IN TURKEY

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 20:17:45

Perhaps. Perhaps he sees Obama as weak/indecisive compared to Hillary or Trump and feels this best chance to make the move. Ballsy.

I hope you are wrong.

I wonder how the fleet is dispersed and about aircraft deployments in NATO.

Keep a weather eye out for developments please.
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