onlooker wrote:Not to be nostalgic but this is just more of the same. Rulers and their cronies looking for war to gain power, wealth. Just the names have changed. For some here who refuse to see the full gamut of atrocities and despicable actions by the West well you are willfully blind of current events and of history. Not to say that other regimes past and modern have not committed atrocities just voicing what many already know that the Western democracies and their holier than thou attitude is a sham and fraud. Just like the Corporations are selling us dangerous products under false pretense. So when Cid says back on topic, I get a disturbing feeling that it is all one topic. It is ruling elites and the consortium of Corporations and Banks and their political enablers having no care about the welfare of people now and especially into the future. Wantonly fueling a monstrous world economy to produce and sell without any care or consideration of damage to planet or people. It is nothing less than unmasking a psychopathic strain that runs throughout the ranks of these elites and their enablers. It is about the system of Capitalism tailored to these kinds of people who revel in the attainment of power and wealth at any price. War, Ecocide etc. all just consequences for the sake of the power and wealth that these psychopaths can and wish to attain. It is time to call them what they are Psychopaths in every sense of the word..
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
onlooker wrote:Okay Tanada, I think perhaps we can use the words Oligarchy, Plutocracy, Kleptocracy and such. I simply use the word Capitalism to describe what most would recognize as the system of private ownership, profit incentives, lending, private possessions and use of money. It is true that it would not be the exact definition especially I think as written by Adam Smith "Wealth of nations". This is to distinguish the type of economic system from the type of leadership system or ruling system. Perhaps if you or someone else can come up with a better word to describe the economic system with the characteristics I mentioned, I would gladly use it.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
dissident wrote:Capitalism, state capitalism, feudalism are all isomorphic. There does not exist a system that is not open to abuse by the "state" or oligarchy. People think that since they don't live under communism that they are in some other reality. You live in an oligarchy that functions just like communism. Instead of worker slogan banners you have corporate ads which serve the same purpose. You can vote until you are blue in the face but you decide next to nothing. Politicians aren't there to serve you. They serve their oligarch (aka corporate) masters.
It is interesting how the ex-commie countries smoothly transitioned into oligarchies. That's not an accident.
onlooker wrote:So we have the investigation and blaming of Blair in Great Britain relative to involvement in Iraq and now this admission by the former head of the Federal Reserve that Iraq was about oil. Seems now that people everywhere are trying to hold accountable those responsible for all the mayhem unleashed in the Middle East including of course rabid Terrorism. People seem to be clamoring for justice on many fronts nowdays. Below is link, oh and maybe from here we can continue to make progress on 911 and pulling the curtain on this whole edifice of the War on Terrorism and how it was and is the ultimate fascist of constructs made possible by the heinous complicity of the US in 911. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/ ... are_btn_fb
Cid_Yama wrote:Nazi leaders were hung for their 'war of aggression'.
dissident wrote:Capitalism, state capitalism, feudalism are all isomorphic. There does not exist a system that is not open to abuse by the "state" or oligarchy. People think that since they don't live under communism that they are in some other reality. You live in an oligarchy that functions just like communism. Instead of worker slogan banners you have corporate ads which serve the same purpose. You can vote until you are blue in the face but you decide next to nothing. Politicians aren't there to serve you. They serve their oligarch (aka corporate) masters.
It is interesting how the ex-commie countries smoothly transitioned into oligarchies. That's not an accident.
Plantagenet wrote:Of course past wars in the ME were over oil.
But you don't have to travel 15 years back in time to find wars for oil. Just pick up today's newspaper.
The current US wars in Iraq and Syria are also over oil.
The US war in Libya was over oil too.
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