AdamB wrote:ennui2 wrote:Adam, when all is said and done there IS still a geological limit.
Of course there is.
AdamB wrote:Climate change being one of the current majority favorites I believe.
vtsnowedin wrote: Why now and not X plus years from now? The fact that we do not know the exact date does not diminish the enormity of the problem.
Does it make a difference if you are killed, or your children ,or your great great grandchildren?
ennui2 wrote:AdamB wrote:ennui2 wrote:Adam, when all is said and done there IS still a geological limit.
Of course there is.
Nice to see you concede that point, since the book you referred people to a while back seemed to suggest there is effectively no limit.
ennui2 wrote:AdamB wrote:Climate change being one of the current majority favorites I believe.
It's one of the favorites because it's a genuine issue, and one which is in many ways more intractable than peak oil. We only have one common biosphere and if we wreck it, we're screwed.
ennui2 wrote:I know sometimes I come across in the peak-oil threads as a "someone will think of something" corny because I see certain kinds of breakout technology on the way. However, I see none that will significantly change the AGW outlook. It would require some sort of fusion powered terraforming stations to convert CO2 into O and huge stores of carbon-black or something. But there are other threads for that topic.
"...who didn't fall for peak oil because they knew these kinds of things were coming down the pike and now...they are here!"
StarvingLion wrote:"...who didn't fall for peak oil because they knew these kinds of things were coming down the pike and now...they are here!"
Indeed they are here...here it is...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... -to-leave/
"Asked why people voted for Brexit, he said: "People are angry. All over the world they're angry."
StarvingLion wrote:Adams first speech: "Shut up or I'll spray you with rubber bullets..., no you won't be getting any V10 Lamborghini's ...but there is this pathetic worthless piece of shit called a solar cell...thats all we have left...deal with it"
StarvingLion wrote:No, wait, thats my speech, ...here is Adam: "La la la la la land,,, here we go, to the land of oz with our dreamin"...
AdamB wrote:snip....
I never said things were peachy keen. Only that peak oil doesn't work so well as a trigger for the doom fantasy league like it did a decade ago, and climate change moves too slowly to substitute.
vtsnowedin wrote:AdamB wrote:snip....
I never said things were peachy keen. Only that peak oil doesn't work so well as a trigger for the doom fantasy league like it did a decade ago, and climate change moves too slowly to substitute.
I don't know about that. All it would take is drought that cuts one of the worlds major grain producers harvest by half to get to a SHTF moment.
Our climate troubles are (allegedly) caused by fossil energy use and our financial house of cards rest on investment to procure and use fossil fuel energy. Break any leg on that three legged stool and we are on the floor wondering what happened.
StarvingLion wrote:..that instant economic collapse is HERE RIGHT NOW. Not tomorrow or in 20 years.
NOW.
vtsnowedin wrote:AdamB wrote:snip....
I never said things were peachy keen. Only that peak oil doesn't work so well as a trigger for the doom fantasy league like it did a decade ago, and climate change moves too slowly to substitute.
I don't know about that. All it would take is drought that cuts one of the worlds major grain producers harvest by half to get to a SHTF moment.
vtsnowedin wrote: Our climate troubles are (allegedly) caused by fossil energy use and our financial house of cards rest on investment to procure and use fossil fuel energy. Break any leg on that three legged stool and we are on the floor wondering what happened.
StarvingLion wrote:You're both in denial.
StarvingLion wrote: We're too broke to develop the remaining low EROEI shit oil, and too broke to outbid the remaining high EROEI oil in around Russia and Iran. The only other option is the total fantasy world of SUBSTITUTION.
StarvingLion wrote:The entire Peak Oil narrative is wrong. There is no decline, just instant collapse.
StarvingLion wrote:The mindless Global warming malarkey is a delusion to avoid reality...that instant economic collapse is HERE RIGHT NOW. Not tomorrow or in 20 years.
NOW.
ralfy wrote:The global economy has been experiencing weak growth for around a decade because of high oil production costs coupled with fallout from financial speculation.
ralfy wrote:Global warming did not "substitute" but added to the world's problems, contributing to that weak growth by decreasing GDP through protection and effects of damage from natural disasters. And then there's environmental damage.
ralfy wrote:All of these points have been reported and discussed in detail in the forum. Given that, one can avoid having to explain the obvious repeatedly by using the ignore function.
StarvingLion wrote:THE GREEN COMMIE SHIT OF "RENEWABLES" IS ALREADY DEAD
StarvingLion wrote:THE ENTIRE S&P 500 WILL BE LIQUIDATED JUST LIKE ROSNEFT ASSETS
StarvingLion wrote:ITS GOING TO COLLAPSE AT ANY TIME NOW
StarvingLion wrote:You're all headed to slave labor or the AI firing squad or the real firing squad.
ennui2 wrote:Again I urge people to just ignore StarvingLion. Out of all the posters here, his analysis is the most disconnected from reality, and if you engage him then the board will be nothing but people playing whack-a-mole against his boiler-plate end-is-nigh-ism.
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