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Cuban Missile Crisis the US Didn't Know About

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 23 Dec 2015, 21:58:29

Good example where missed intelligence could have destroyed the world. We always presume we know more than we actually do.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19930260
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Re: Cuban Missile Crisis the US Didn't Know About

Unread postby dissident » Wed 23 Dec 2015, 23:02:00

Cid_Yama wrote:Good example where missed intelligence could have destroyed the world. We always presume we know more than we actually do.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19930260


"Duplicity" like stationing nuclear missiles in Turkey by the USA.
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Re: Cuban Missile Crisis the US Didn't Know About

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Thu 24 Dec 2015, 00:08:15

Cid_Yama wrote:Good example where missed intelligence could have destroyed the world. We always presume we know more than we actually do.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19930260

Good thing the Americans didn't try another sneak attack on Cuba.
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Re: Cuban Missile Crisis the US Didn't Know About

Unread postby ennui2 » Thu 24 Dec 2015, 12:14:14

You didn't really read the article, did you?

"The Cuban leader, cut out of the main negotiations between the superpowers over the fate of the long range Soviet missiles stationed in Cuba, began to cease cooperation with Moscow."

The main conflict was between Russia and Cuba.
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Re: Cuban Missile Crisis the US Didn't Know About

Unread postby Cog » Thu 24 Dec 2015, 12:50:27

dissident wrote:
Cid_Yama wrote:Good example where missed intelligence could have destroyed the world. We always presume we know more than we actually do.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19930260


"Duplicity" like stationing nuclear missiles in Turkey by the USA.


Completely allowed under NATO agreements. And for very good reason. But of course you knew that being a Russian expert. :roll:
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Re: Cuban Missile Crisis the US Didn't Know About

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 24 Dec 2015, 13:38:08

ennui2 wrote:You didn't really read the article, did you?

"The Cuban leader, cut out of the main negotiations between the superpowers over the fate of the long range Soviet missiles stationed in Cuba, began to cease cooperation with Moscow."

The main conflict was between Russia and Cuba.


YOU apparently didn't get it. Krushchev was going to give Castro 100 tactical nukes that were already in Cuba but missed by US intelligence. He sent Mikoyan to tell Castro the good news. Mikoyan found Castro already shooting at the Americans and on his own initiative got those tactical nukes out of there.

Until December they were in Cuba, and had we attacked after the Russians withdrew, or if control had been handed over to Castro, there is a high probability they would have been used.

Why the personal attacks? Our haters seem to be on a rampage. Maybe we could call it the Scrooge effect.
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Re: Cuban Missile Crisis the US Didn't Know About

Unread postby ennui2 » Thu 24 Dec 2015, 14:28:31

Cid_Yama wrote:Why the personal attacks? Our haters seem to be on a rampage. Maybe we could call it the Scrooge effect.


I was responding to Keith who just used your post to bash the US. The bay of pigs had nothing to do with this incident. He was the one who didn't read the article, not you.
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Re: Cuban Missile Crisis the US Didn't Know About

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 24 Dec 2015, 19:17:16

And this is the living hell they would have unleashed had things gone sideways ...

U.S. Cold War Nuclear Target Lists Declassified for First Time

The SAC study includes chilling details. According to its authors, their target priorities and nuclear bombing tactics would expose nearby civilians and “friendly forces and people” to high levels of deadly radioactive fallout. Moreover, the authors developed a plan for the “systematic destruction” of Soviet bloc urban-industrial targets that specifically and explicitly targeted “population” in all cities, including Beijing, Moscow, Leningrad, East Berlin, and Warsaw. Purposefully targeting civilian populations as such directly conflicted with the international norms of the day, which prohibited attacks on people per se (as opposed to military installations with civilians nearby).

... Using data from the SAC study, this Google map shows the top 20 Soviet bloc airfields of more than 1100 that SAC listed as targets for its Air Power attack [See section 6 for complete list]. The map also shows the locations of five of the major Soviet bloc cities that SAC included in its list of over 1200 potential urban targets: East Berlin, Warsaw, Leningrad, Moscow, and Beijing [Peiping] and their suburbs. Linked to each city is a spread sheet that lists the various installations SAC targeted for destruction and total numbers of installations targeted for the five urban areas.

According to the study, SAC would have targeted Air Power targets with bombs ranging from 1.7 to 9 megatons. Exploding them at ground level, as planned, would have produced significant fallout hazards to nearby civilians. SAC also wanted a 60 megaton weapon which it believed necessary for deterrence, but also because it would produce “significant results” in the event of a Soviet surprise attack.

The “greatly compressed time factor”—the danger of a speedy Soviet attack and counterattack-- encouraged targeters to require the surface bursting of high-yield nuclear weapons. According to SAC, bursting the weapon in the air would “result in decrease of blast effect.” Detonating the weapon on or close to the ground would maximize blast effects, destroy the target, and disperse irradiated particles which would be picked up by winds and descend far and near.[1]

[1] . The study’s authors mistakenly asserted that “worldwide contamination is minimized when the surface burst is utilized.” The anonymous authors may not have been scientists, but in light of the 1954 Castle Bravo test, which spread radioactive debris globally, they should have known better.

... and for a good movie on the same subject, try By Dawn's Early Light (1990)
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