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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby M_B_S » Fri 27 Mar 2015, 04:33:17

Good posts so far but we missed something triggering the WAR:

YEMEN: THE WATER CRISIS!


The US will learn it in California what it means when a big state is out of water => CIVIL WAR!

But have a look on Yemen

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23777176

Yemen facing water shortage crisis
21 August 2013 Last updated at 09:12 BST
Yemen is facing a severe water crisis with some estimates suggesting the capital, Sanaa, could run dry in 10 years.
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To be fair the Saudis have the same problem like the USA / Yemen etc....

PEAK OIL and WATER shortage! => Food shortages !

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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby AgentR11 » Fri 27 Mar 2015, 08:54:59

CA grows few calorie crops, and is thus pretty much irrelevant to the "food shortage" puzzle. They like to count it in dollars because it exaggerates its importance; but no one dies as a result of insufficient asparagus or whatever.

Snip agriculture and golf course use, and CA will be ok. Really, the place is a desert, it has no business growing the water+fiber crops it grows currently.
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby M_B_S » Fri 27 Mar 2015, 14:00:27

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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/y ... 18865.html

Warplanes from a coalition led by Saudi Arabia have bombed the stronghold of Yemen's Houthi fighters with strikes targeting arms depots and a number of military camps controlled by the group.
Air raids early on Friday targeted Saada, the stronghold of the Houthis, and focused on locations along Yemen's porous border with Saudi Arabia.
Sources told Al Jazeera the air raids struck arms depots in the Malaheez and Hafr Sufyan regions of Saada and an army camp used by Houthi fighters in Kitaf......

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Vast swaths of residential areas next to the el-Rahaba International Airport were buried under large chunks of debris from fallen buildings [Reuters]

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So the Hothi must bring the war to the enemy SA thats the logic of WAR!

A good underground operation could be the hatch.... or a camel attack on vital saudi pipes and oil terminals....

Hit and run!

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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 28 Mar 2015, 17:45:45

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I think American Jewish folks are going to need to put their money behind the GOP this election cycle, and Republican nominee. Obama has just full scale broken from Israel, even telling Netanyahu -- after he was duly and democratically re-elected, even after Obama admin may have funded NGO's to defeat him -- he told Netanyahu the USA must "reassess" its relations with Israel. In other words, political retribution and doing less for Israel. That's DANGEROUS. Israel needs that Iron Dome missile protection, etc., and Israel is our ally.

Yemen is just part of Iran's Mideast master plan

Analysis: Israel has spent five years warning that Iran seeks Shiite domination of the Muslim world, and the Gulf States know by now not to rely on the Obama administration.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4641659,00.html


(the above is a good general article about the war. The Suadis are calling their mission "Operation Storm of Resolve."

And btw -- there are now FOUR regional wars going on over there, you've got Libya and Syria and Iraq and now Yemen.)
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 28 Mar 2015, 19:54:20

Sixstrings wrote: btw -- there are now FOUR regional wars going on over there, you've got Libya and Syria and Iraq and now Yemen.


Even more amazing then that is that the US is on different sides in different wars!

Obama is helping the Shia Islamic Republic fight the Sunni Islamic State in Iraq, and simultaneously helping the Sunni Saudis fight the Iranian supported Shia Houthi in Yemen.

I guess if the US is on both sides, then we can't lose!

Brilliant! :lol:

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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 28 Mar 2015, 23:37:38

Plantagenet wrote:
Sixstrings wrote: btw -- there are now FOUR regional wars going on over there, you've got Libya and Syria and Iraq and now Yemen.


Even more amazing then that is that the US is on different sides in different wars!

Obama is helping the Shia Islamic Republic fight the Sunni Islamic State in Iraq, and simultaneously helping the Sunni Saudis fight the Iranian supported Shia Houthi in Yemen.

I guess if the US is on both sides, then we can't lose!

Brilliant! :lol:
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby autonomous » Sun 29 Mar 2015, 02:10:44

Here's a nice map showing the composition of the main branches of Islam in the Middle East, along with other religions:
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http://www.internationalrelations.com/2012/01/25/the-sunni-shiite-divide/

Note the concentration of Shiia in the east and southwest portions of Saudi Arabia. As you can see, it's rather complicated. No countries are purely Sunni or Shi’ite. Most have an interwoven patchwork of these sectarian communities — a village here, a city there.
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby Subjectivist » Sun 29 Mar 2015, 05:00:13

That map doesn't make any sense, Christians in Egypt do not even show on the map but if you read the stats on the right you will see there are three times as many Christians as Shia in Egypt. The Shia are clearly shown, but Christians are not. The impression left by the map is that there are very few Christians in Egypt but many Shia. Most people are visually oriented and will take the map at face value without analyzing the statistics that supposedly went into making it to double check its accuracy.
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby peripato » Sun 29 Mar 2015, 05:50:31

autonomous wrote:Note the concentration of Shiia in the east and southwest portions of Saudi Arabia. As you can see, it's rather complicated. No countries are purely Sunni or Shi’ite. Most have an interwoven patchwork of these sectarian communities — a village here, a city there.

The Yemenis lay claim to that Shia concentration as part of their historical territory.
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sun 29 Mar 2015, 06:32:32

Option "B" then go in and trade with the winners. (the Chinese approach)
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby autonomous » Sun 29 Mar 2015, 14:05:40

dup...
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby autonomous » Sun 29 Mar 2015, 14:24:20

Subjectivist wrote:That map doesn't make any sense, Christians in Egypt do not even show on the map but if you read the stats on the right you will see there are three times as many Christians as Shia in Egypt. The Shia are clearly shown, but Christians are not. The impression left by the map is that there are very few Christians in Egypt but many Shia. Most people are visually oriented and will take the map at face value without analyzing the statistics that supposedly went into making it to double check its accuracy.


You did not interpret the map correctly and got Shiia and Sunni mixed up. The map accurately shows Christian populations dispersed along the Nile with a small number of Shiia located to the south of Egypt in correct proportion and even has a label pointing to the Egyptian Shiia. The Sunni majority are located in the north of Egypt in the Nile delta.

It is comical to see how often Americans get Sunni/Shia reversed. Even George Bush did not know the difference before he invaded Iraq. Prior to the US invasion of Iraq the leadership under Saddam was Sunni. Now Iraq is under Shiia leadership. After seeing Iraq turned over to the Shiia now Yemen is under Shiia control, all due to the blundering American foreign policy. Naturally, the Saudis (who are Sunni-Wahhabi) are pissed.

Unforgivable; George W. Bush Did Not Know The Difference Between Shiites and Sunnis Before Sending Our Troops To Invade Iraq.
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/11/why-iraq-is-in-turmoil/?iref=allsearch
http://www.gunbodhi.com/unforgivable-george-w-bush-know-difference-shiites-sunnis-sending-troops-invade-iraq/

President Bush met with three Iraqi exiles and appeared unaware that Iraq contained within it Sunnis and Shias. An Arab leader confirmed to me that in his meetings with the president, it was clear that Bush did not understand that there was a difference between the two sects.
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sun 29 Mar 2015, 15:01:01

Here is a smaller size:
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You have to look at it beside a population density map:
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This is a good combo:
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(Larger image and other interesting maps here:
http://defence.pk/threads/maps-of-middle-east.229075/
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Mon 30 Mar 2015, 01:49:35

Posted on 2013-06-04:
kublikhan wrote:Not just oil shortages coming down the line, I wonder how many future conflicts will be fought over more basic commodities like water?

I am in the Yemen International Hospital in Taiz, the Yemeni city in the central highlands that is suffering from such an acute water shortage that people get to run their taps for only 36 hours every 30 days or so. They have to fill up as much as they can and then rely on water trucks that come through neighborhoods and sell water like a precious commodity. I am visiting Mohamed Qaid, a 25-year-old laborer from the nearby village of Qaradh who was struck the night before in the hand and chest by three bullets fired by a sniper from Marzouh, the village next door. The two villages have been fighting over the rapidly dwindling water supply from their shared mountain springs. Six people have been killed and many more wounded in clashes since 2000 that have heated up of late. One was killed a night ago. Qaid is in pain, but he wanted to tell people about what is happening here. I have one question: “Were you really shot in a fight over water?” He winces out his answer: “It wasn’t about politics. It wasn’t about the Muslim Brotherhood. It was about water.”

Yemen is just a decade or so ahead of Syria and Egypt in terms of the kind of human development crisis this whole region will face. Yemen has 15 aquifers, and only two today are self-sustaining; all the others are being steadily depleted. And wherever in Yemen you see aquifers depleting, you have the worst conflicts.”

One of the most threatened aquifers in Yemen is the Radaa Basin, he added, “and it is one of the strongholds of Al Qaeda.” In the north, on the border with Saudi Arabia, the Sadah region used to be one of the richest areas for growing grapes, pomegranates and oranges. “But they depleted their aquifer so badly that many farms went dry,” said Eryani, and this created the environment for the pro-Iranian Houthi sect to recruit young, unemployed farm laborers to start a separatist movement.

“Yemen suffered from two drugs: qat and easy oil money,” says Eryani. Qat drank all the water, and the easy oil money seduced the rural manpower into leaving for unskilled jobs. But now that most of the Yemeni workers have been sent home from Saudi Arabia, they are finding a country running out of water, with few jobs, and a broken public school system that teaches more religion than science. As a result, what Yemen needs most — an educated class not tied to an increasingly water-deprived agriculture — it cannot get.
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 30 Mar 2015, 19:27:08

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/ ... YC20150330

World | Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:41pm EDT Related: WORLD, YEMEN
Air strike kills at least 40 at Yemen camp for displaced
ADEN | BY MOHAMMAD MUKHASHAF AND SAMI ABOUDI

(Reuters) - An air strike killed at least 40 people at a camp for displaced people in north Yemen on Monday, humanitarian workers said, in an attack which apparently targeted nearby Houthi fighters who are battling President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi.

Yemen's state news agency Saba, which is under the control of the Houthis, said the camp at Haradh was hit by Saudi planes. It said the dead included women and children, and showed the bodies of five children laid out on a blood-streaked floor.

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The Saudis lost the war before it starts....... WAR CRIME !

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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby careinke » Tue 31 Mar 2015, 12:54:49

Wahhabis are Sunni (at least that is what the Wahhabi's told me when I used to work with them).
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 31 Mar 2015, 13:22:34

A miss is not a war crime.
Saudi's can't win with air strikes though, so I'm not sure what they think they'll accomplish.
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Tue 31 Mar 2015, 13:36:35

Forgive the long piece from Aljazeera but does a great job of showing the political and religious complexity of the situation. The situation just doesn't work

Saudi Arabia’s new policy of uniting Sunni Muslim powers against Iran’s Shia regime has resulted in an impressively broad coalition joining its military campaign against Yemen’s pro-Tehran Houthi rebels. Along with five Gulf countries, and the poorer monarchies of Jordan and Morocco, it also enlisted the support of its Egyptian strongman ally, general-turned-president Abdel Fattah El Sisi. Even plucky Sudan has dispatched three fighter jets. Differences over issues such as the Muslim Brotherhood were suppressed in the interests of building a broad anti-Iran coalition that extended beyond the Arab world. Turkey announced on Thursday that it supports the Saudi-led offensive, with President Recep Tayyep Erdogan issuing a spirited harangue that branded Iran’s actions a source of “annoyance.”

But perhaps the biggest surprise has been the reported inclusion of Pakistan. Al-Arabiya, the Saudi-owned broadcaster, said Islamabad was providing military support. The habitually evasive Pakistani Foreign Office said simply that they were mulling a Saudi request for troops, while Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif vowed Thursday to retaliate against any threat to Saudi Arabia’s "integrity." A senior member of Sharif’s cabinet told Al Jazeera that Pakistan will not be involved in any action “in Yemen” itself but will provide support to the Saudis on their own soil “if they are threatened.” On Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal reported Pakistani and Saudi forces were carrying out a joint exercise near the Yemeni border, and quoted a U.S. official as saying the move was designed to serve as a warning to the Houthi rebels.

Unlike the Turks, who are incensed by Tehran’s involvement in propping up the regime of Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad, Pakistan has no active dispute with Iran. The Saudis and Turks have made common cause in Syria and now Yemen despite backing rival factions in Tunisia, Libya and Egypt. Pakistan, by contrast, has remained distant from the Syrian conflict, facing a compelling threat at home. Since the December massacre of Peshawar schoolchildren, it has renewed its resolve to eliminate the Pakistani Taliban — a notoriously sectarian organization that has terrorized Pakistan’s Shia population, the largest outside Iran. Around one in five Pakistanis is Shia, as was the country’s founder, Mohammed Ali Jinnah. Still, it now finds itself drawn into a geopolitical alliance with a strongly sectarian pallor.

This isn’t first time Pakistan has been dragged into the poisonous Saudi-Iranian rivalry. After the 1979 revolution that brought the Ayatollahs to power, Pakistan became a battlefield in a proxy war between the two countries. The Iranians established armed Shia groups in Pakistan; the Saudis countered by sponsoring anti-Shia groups — a tradition that continues to this day, with millions of dollars funneled from the desert kingdom into thousands of Pakistani madrassas teaching extreme ideas. For the Saudis, the appeal of Pakistan is obvious. It shares a border with Iran and, crucially, already has nuclear weapons. The Saudis want Pakistan to act as a counterweight to Iran, and have long cultivated a close relationship with its military. Since the late 1960s, Pakistani soldiers have been permanently garrisoned in Saudi Arabia. In 1969, Pakistani pilots slipped into Saudi jets to carry out sorties in South Yemen against a rebel threat at the time.

For Pakistan, Saudi Arabia is not only a long-standing source of aid but a principal source of foreign exchange through much-needed remittances. Just last month, for example, $453 million flowed into Pakistan from the exertions of more than 1.5 million often poorly treated migrant workers. The intimacy of the two countries’ ruling elites notwithstanding, the migrant workers are weighed down by debts they owe to exploitative recruiters. Pakistanis are also disproportionately found in Saudi Arabia’s jails and on death row. The relationship, however, is one-sided. “We in Saudi Arabia are not observers in Pakistan, we are participants,” Saudi Arabia’s current ambassador in Washington, Adel al-Jubeir, boasted in 2007, according to a leaked State Department cable. Its clout extends to the realm of politics, where the Saudis have keenly backed military rulers and right-wing politicians — Prime Minister Sharif lived in exile in Jeddah after the Kingdom persuaded then dictator Pervez Musharraf to release him from prison.

As Prince Waleed ibn Talal once told to the Wall Street Journal, “Nawaz Sharif, specifically, is very much Saudi Arabia’s man in Pakistan.” The Saudis last year injected $1.5 billion into Pakistan’s treasury, boosting its liquidity at moment when it is still strapped to an exacting IMF loan package. Sharif’s Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz party is seen within Pakistan to favor Sunnis, and as having ties with sectarian groups. It has few Shia parliamentarians and few Shia voters. Pakistan’s army, however, has never had a sectarian reputation. It has included many Shia generals, although their numbers have thinned over the years. Some of the worst victims of the Pakistani Taliban’s savagery were Shia soldiers, who were murdered in captivity. Becoming an overtly Sunni army would compromise the Pakistan military’s proud claim of being a force of cohesion for the country, and risk alienating many Shia Pakistanis, at a time when there is a clamor for unity against the Taliban at home.

This may also be a bad time for Pakistan to pick a fight with Iran. In recent years, relations between the neighbors have veered between periods of economic cooperation and cross-border tensions, particularly over Sunni armed groups targeting the Iranian regime from Pakistani territory in Balochistan. But as it battles the Pakistani Taliban along the Afghan border, Islamabad is trying to facilitate a postwar settlement across the border by bringing to bear its considerable influence over the Afghan Taliban. Ashraf Ghani, the Afghan president, has developed closer relations with the Pakistani leadership than his predecessor, Hamid Karzai, had ever managed to achieve. But any eventual settlement in Afghanistan will inevitably involve Iran, whose influence in the country was such that even the U.S. sought Tehran’s cooperation during and after its 2001 invasion to topple the Taliban.

Being drawn into the Middle East’s sectarian battles, then, carries greater domestic and regional risk for Pakistan than it does for most of the Saudis’ other partners.
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