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Re: Pro-US Yemen government overthrown, US vehicles fired on

Unread postby AndyA » Thu 22 Jan 2015, 02:15:02

Now, it will take time to eradicate a cancer like ISIL. And any time we take military action, there are risks involved –- especially to the servicemen and women who carry out these missions. But I want the American people to understand how this effort will be different from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will not involve American combat troops fighting on foreign soil. This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out ISIL wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years. And it is consistent with the approach I outlined earlier this year: to use force against anyone who threatens America’s core interests, but to mobilize partners wherever possible to address broader challenges to international order.

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Shiite rebels take power in Yemen

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 07 Feb 2015, 18:50:34

Yemen’s Shiite rebels proclaimed a formal takeover of the Arab nation Friday, dissolving parliament in a dramatic move that completes their power grab in the region’s poorest nation where an al-Qaida terrorist offshoot flourishes.

Angry demonstrators protested the rebels’ move in street rallies in several cities, raising fears of a full-blown sectarian conflict between Yemen’s new Shiite tribal rulers, known as Houthis, and the disenfranchised Sunni majority.

The unrest could strengthen Yemen’s al-Qaida branch, considered the world’s most dangerous wing of the terror movement, and complicate U.S. counter-terrorism operations in Saudi Arabia’s southern neighbor. While Houthi rebels are bitter enemies to al-Qaida, they also are hostile to the United States, and frosty to the predominantly Sunni Saudis. The region’s Shiite powerhouse, Iran, looms as a potential key backer.

Houthi supporters filled the central square in Sanaa, the Yemeni capital, to celebrate the culmination of their coup. They exploded firecrackers and waved banners bearing their slogan “Death to America, death to Israel, a curse on the Jews and victory to Islam.” The menacing message is similar to those chanted by Shiite militants in Iraq and Lebanon’s dominant Shiite militia, Hezbollah.

Houthi leaders declared that their Revolutionary Committee – a panel of top security and intelligence officials – was Yemen’s new supreme governing authority.

The nature of the new government raised suspicions that the Houthis intend to rule along Iranian-style lines, mirroring the Iranian Revolution of 1979, when Islamists toppled a pro-Western government and imposed rule based on a council of senior religious figures.

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Re: Shiite rebels take power in Yemen

Unread postby dissident » Sat 07 Feb 2015, 19:00:43

Interesting how this article frets about sectarian violence because of a disenfranchised Sunni majority. The majority in Ukraine were also disenfranchised by a minority coup (clear from all the opinion polls and ballot results before the coup). Yet not a single mention of "sectarian violence" and instead parroting the lies of the coup regime and insinuating that the rebels against the regime are all terrorists and proxies.

Also, note how the fact that Al Qaeda is a Saudi funded Sunni creature is not highlighted and instead the insinuation is made that Shiites are Al Qaeda supporters.

Rather clear the bias in this article, in favour of the Al Qaeda supporting Sunnis. Same as in Syria.
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Re: Shiite rebels take power in Yemen

Unread postby careinke » Sat 07 Feb 2015, 23:15:29

dissident wrote:Interesting how this article frets about sectarian violence because of a disenfranchised Sunni majority. The majority in Ukraine were also disenfranchised by a minority coup (clear from all the opinion polls and ballot results before the coup). Yet not a single mention of "sectarian violence" and instead parroting the lies of the coup regime and insinuating that the rebels against the regime are all terrorists and proxies.

Also, note how the fact that Al Qaeda is a Saudi funded Sunni creature is not highlighted and instead the insinuation is made that Shiites are Al Qaeda supporters.

Rather clear the bias in this article, in favour of the Al Qaeda supporting Sunnis. Same as in Syria.


I agree, that article had so many holes in it you could fly a Sunni based, Al Qaeda filled jet through it.
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Re: Shiite rebels take power in Yemen

Unread postby Paulo1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 09:24:32

Have fun feeding and providing water to population. Careful, you might get what you wish for, right? Iran had oil...has oil. Yemen's is gone and has bugger all else. Good time for US to leave and wash their hands of the whole mess.
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Re: Shiite rebels take power in Yemen

Unread postby careinke » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 22:43:14

Paulo1 wrote:Have fun feeding and providing water to population. Careful, you might get what you wish for, right? Iran had oil...has oil. Yemen's is gone and has bugger all else. Good time for US to leave and wash their hands of the whole mess.


Here is an article on this subject.

http://www.spinfarming.com/whatsSpin/

I was surprised the author was female.
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Re: Pro-US Yemen government overthrown, US vehicles fired on

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Wed 25 Feb 2015, 12:16:09

Yemen ex-president amassed up to $60bn, colluded with rebels -UN experts
DUBAI, Feb 25 (Reuters) - Yemeni ex-president Ali Abdullah Saleh is suspected of corruptly amassing as much as $60 billion, equivalent to Yemen's annual GDP, during his long rule, and colluding in a militia takeover last year, U.N.-appointed investigators have told the Security Council.

The report by the world body's Panel of Experts on Yemen echoes criticism by his opponents that Saleh's rule from 1978 to 2012 was marred by graft, and that even out of office he is fomenting instability - allegations he has consistently denied.

Presented with the experts' 54-page findings, the Council voted unanimously on Tuesday to extend sanctions on Saleh and two top militia leaders, first targeted by the world body in November for their alleged role in destabilising the country.

Repeated calls to a spokesman for Saleh were not immediately returned.

In an interview with Reuters last year, Saleh denied any corruption during his tenure.

His party has also rejected allegations by Saleh's critics that he or his son Ahmad Ali, once one of Yemen's top military commanders, had had a hand in the fall of the capital Sanaa.

"(Saleh) is alleged to have amassed assets between $32 billion and $60 billion ... partly from his corrupt practices as President of Yemen, particularly relating to gas and oil contracts where he reportedly asked for money in exchange for granting companies exclusive rights to prospect for gas and oil," write the experts, who monitor violations of U.N. sanctions on Yemen.

Most of this wealth was believed to have been transferred abroad under false names or the names of others holding the assets on his behalf, the report said. It took the form of property, cash, shares, gold and other valuable commodities, and was believed to spread across at least 20 countries.

Saleh was ousted in the wake of the 2011 Arab Spring protests, after 33 years at the head of one of the Arab world's most fractious and - despite modest energy reserves - impoverished countries.

Saleh has remained a power-broker, and frequently criticised his successor, Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi, in the months running up to the invasion of Sanaa in September by a Shi'ite Muslim rebel group that eventually swept Hadi from power and opened up a political vacuum.

Describing the Houthis' armed surge into the capital in September, the U.N. experts cited "the loyalty of large parts of the army to elements of the old regime, in particular Ahmad Ali Saleh and former President Saleh, who colluded with the Houthis in what resulted in a coup d'état".
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Re: Pro-US Yemen government overthrown, US vehicles fired on

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 20 Mar 2015, 12:34:55

BBC Arabic's Mohamed Yehia described the attacks as "unprecedented"
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Yemen unrest

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Suicide bombers have attacked two mosques in Yemen's capital, Sanaa, killing at least 126 people and wounding many others, reports say.

Worshippers were attending noon prayers at the Badr and al-Hashoosh mosques when at least three attackers struck.

The mosques are used mainly by supporters of the Zaidi Shia-led Houthi rebel movement, which controls Sanaa.

Islamic State (IS), which set up a branch in Yemen in November, said it was behind the attacks.

A statement from the group was published on Twitter accounts known as reliable sources for IS propaganda. If confirmed, the attacks would be the first carried out by IS in Yemen.

There are also severe tensions between the Houthi rebels and various powerful, armed elements in Yemen, including militants from al-Qaeda.
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Witnesses said at least two suicide bombers attacked the Badr mosque, in the south of Sanaa.

One entered the building and detonated his explosive device among dozens of worshippers, the witnesses added. Survivors then sought to escape through the main gates, where the second bomber was waiting.


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Re: Pro-US Yemen government overthrown, US vehicles fired on

Unread postby vox_mundi » Tue 24 Mar 2015, 22:23:40

Saudi Arabia Military Amasses Near Yemen Border: U.S. Officials

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia is moving heavy military equipment including artillery to areas near its border with Yemen, U.S. officials said on Tuesday, raising the risk that the Middle East’s top oil power will be drawn into the worsening Yemeni conflict.

The buildup follows a southward advance by Iranian-backed Houthi Shi'ite militants who took control of the capital Sanaa in September and seized the central city of Taiz at the weekend as they move closer to the new southern base of U.S.-supported President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi.

The slide toward war in Yemen has made the country a crucial front in Saudi Arabia's region-wide rivalry with Iran, which Riyadh accuses of sowing sectarian strife through its support for the Houthis.

The conflict risks spiraling into a proxy war with Shi'ite Iran backing the Houthis, whose leaders adhere to the Zaydi sect of Shi'ite Islam, and Saudi Arabia and the other regional Sunni Muslim monarchies backing Hadi.

The armor and artillery being moved by Saudi Arabia could be used for offensive or defensive purposes, two U.S. government sources said. Two other U.S. officials said the build-up appeared to be defensive.

One U.S. government source described the size of the Saudi buildup on Yemen's border as "significant" and said the Saudis could be preparing air strikes to defend Hadi if the Houthis attack his refuge in the southern seaport of Aden.

Riyadh hosted top-level talks with Gulf Arab neighbors on Saturday that backed Hadi as Yemen's legitimate president and offered "all efforts" to preserve the country's stability.

Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said on Monday Arab countries would take necessary measures to protect the region against "aggression" by the Houthi movement if a peaceful solution could not be found.

In March 2011, Saudi troops, along with those from the United Arab Emirates, entered neighboring Bahrain after weeks of protests by that country’s Shi’ite majority that Riyadh feared could lead to an expansion of Iran’s influence.

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Re: Pro-US Yemen government overthrown, US vehicles fired on

Unread postby vox_mundi » Wed 25 Mar 2015, 23:15:07

President of Yemen flees by sea; Saudis begin airstrikes

SANAA, Yemen (AP) — President Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi fled Yemen by sea Wednesday as Shiite rebels and their allies moved on his last refuge in the south, captured its airport and put a bounty on his head, officials said. Hours later, Saudi Arabia announced it had begun airstrikes against the Houthi rebels.

The departure of the close U.S. ally and the imminent fall of the southern port of Aden pushed Yemen further toward a violent collapse. It also threatened to turn the impoverished but strategic country into another proxy battle between the Middle East's Sunni powers and Shiite-led Iran.

Saudi ambassador to the United States Adel al-Jubeir said his country had begun airstrikes against the rebels. He said his government had consulted closely with the U.S. and other allies but that the U.S. military was not involved in the operations.

The White House said in a statement late Wednesday that the U.S. was coordinating military and intelligence support with the Saudis but not taking part directly in the strikes.

There were indications that others in the region would follow suit: The United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain joined Saudi Arabia in a statement published by the Saudi Press Agency, saying they would answer a request from Hadi "to protect Yemen and his dear people from the aggression of the Houthi militias which were and are still a tool in the hands of foreign powers that don't stop meddling with the security and stability of brotherly Yemen." Oman, the sixth member of the Gulf Cooperation Council, didn't sign onto the statement.

In a statement from the state news agency Egypt, too, announced political and military support. "There is coordination ongoing now with Saudi Arabia and the brotherly gulf countries about preparations to participate with an Egyptian air and naval forces and ground troops if necessary," the statement said.

The atmosphere in Aden was tense, with most schools, government offices, shops and restaurants closed. In the few cafes still open, men watched the news on TV. Looters went through two abandoned army camps, taking weapons and ammunition.
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Re: Pro-US Yemen government overthrown, US vehicles fired on

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Saudi Arabia to send 150,000 troops to Yemen

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 26 Mar 2015, 00:36:55

Saudi Arabia Launches Military Operations in Yemen
Saudi ambassador to U.S. says 10 countries participating in operations

Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states launched airstrikes against rebel forces in Yemen’s capital and across the country in defense of what Riyadh called the nation’s legitimate government.

The attacks began Thursday morning, hours after Yemen’s president, Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi, fled the southern port city of Aden by boat when Iranian-backed Houthi militants closed in.

The decision by Saudi Arabia and the region’s Sunni monarchies to intervene on Mr. Hadi’s behalf raises the stakes in their rivalry with predominantly Shiite Iran, which has raged in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere in the region. The raids also risked further inflaming sectarian tensions that al Qaeda and other jihadist groups in Yemen stand to exploit.

In an added layer of complexity, the intervention comes ahead of a Tuesday deadline for Iran to reach a deal with the U.S. and other powers in Switzerland on Tehran’s nuclear program.

In Washington, Adel Al-Jubeir, Saudi Arabia’s ambassador, said that six Gulf countries and at least four other nations—none of which he named—participated in the military operation. He said the U.S. was consulted on the raid.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-launches-military-operations-in-yemen-1427275251


Interesting development.

So what you've had with Yemen is a Iran (sunni) was funding terrorism and trying overthrow the government in Yemen which is shia. So, they succeeded a month or two ago or whatever that was.

So I was watching CNN and they said this is going to be a major operation, with 150,000 troops from a coalition that KSA has put together and KSA is leading it. They're aim is to reinstall the fallen shia government, and they view Iran's expansion in the ME as a threat to them (as does Israel).

So.. you see.. you couldn't blame it on USA after all (I remember someone had posted "us backed gov falls in Yemen.") It's a shia sunni regional war, it's Iran on one side and the the others on the other side. And things are complicated for us -- Obama's got us darn near allied to Iran, fighting along side them in Iraq and Syria, and Obama / Kerry pushing this nuke deal for Iran while Israel and KSA and all those are against it.

Meanwhile, KSA disavows ISIS, but fact remains that ISIS is shia.

We'll see what happens with this. It's nice that we aren't involved, and don't have to be -- it's time someone else over there stepped up to handle things in their own region. Now if only we can get the Europeans to start doing that, we'll finally be getting somewhere.

Saudis have the military for it and the money and the gear, so good they're doing it. And we're no part of it, for once. Just gets kind of complicated though, how do we help Iran fight on one front and then our allies are fighting Iran on another front. Pretty mixed up stuff, and ISIS in the mix and they've got to be taken out too yet Iranians aren't any angels either.
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Re: Pro-US Yemen government overthrown, US vehicles fired on

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 26 Mar 2015, 00:41:59

Dissident -- this one has nothing to do with Obama or the USA.

it's a shia sunni intra muslim war.

Saudi Arabia moved on their own, their own coalition, US has nothing to do with anything other than Obama working with Putin to get Iranians nukes for some reason I can't understand.

Anyhow stop talking about USA, this one is KSA, it's their army, their coalition, their 150,000 troops, their war.
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Re: Pro-US Yemen government overthrown, US vehicles fired on

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 26 Mar 2015, 01:11:26

Sixstrings wrote:Dissident -- this one has nothing to do with Obama or the USA.

it's a shia sunni intra muslim war.

Saudi Arabia moved on their own, their own coalition, US has nothing to do with anything other than Obama working with Putin to get Iranians nukes for some reason I can't understand.

Anyhow stop talking about USA, this one is KSA, it's their army, their coalition, their 150,000 troops, their war.

The CIA is actively involved from their Um Al Melh base in SA

http://cryptome.org/2013-info/02/saudi- ... border.htm

The media press release explicitly stated no U.S. military involvement. It didn't say anything about Blackwater/Xe para-military contractors or CIA lack of involvement.
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Re: Pro-US Yemen government overthrown, US vehicles fired on

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Thu 26 Mar 2015, 01:29:16

The US is not involved:

U.S. To Aid Saudi Arabia Operation In Yemen With Logistical, Intelligence Support
WASHINGTON, March 25 (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama has authorized logistical and intelligence help in support of a Saudi-led military operation in Yemen to beat back Houthi militia forces, the White House said late on Wednesday.

"While U.S. forces are not taking direct military action in Yemen in support of this effort, we are establishing a Joint Planning Cell with Saudi Arabia to coordinate U.S. military and intelligence support," a White House statement said.

The United States is also closely monitoring threats by the al Qaeda branch in Yemen "and will continue to take action as necessary to disrupt continuing, imminent threats to the United States and our citizens," it added.


Yemen Government’s Fall Is Blow to Obama’s War on Terror
The chaos also is impeding Obama’s use of drone strikes as an antiterror weapon in Yemen. The attacks will go on, U.S. officials say, but the lack of a friendly government means the U.S. has lost some of its ability to gather intelligence in Yemen on terror suspects’ movements and activities, key details in finding targets for the pilotless aircraft.
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Obama administration officials say that they retain the ability to strike at terror targets in Yemen. Anti-American extremists there are still in “the crosshairs of U.S. security forces and other security forces that are deployed to protect the American people and to protect American interests around the globe,” White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said Wednesday.
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Re: Pro-US Yemen government overthrown, US vehicles fired on

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 26 Mar 2015, 03:25:04

Keith_McClary wrote:The US is not involved:


Nope Keith, sorry, the world has changed and Atlas shrugged and stays home (who wants to go fight in the desert anyhow), and there's a China World Bank and Chinese troops in the Sudan and there 150,000 Saudi Army headed for Yemen and Saudi air force doing strikes, and the Saudis have launched a war and yes -- it has nothing to do with us.

You can't have 150,000 arab troops on the march and blame that on the US.

Seriously -- it's a shia sunni regional war, it's not our fault.

I was watching a documentary the other day about the British involvement in the ME and how the mamaluks were more hardcore muslim than the Turks were.. it's just always been the same old stuff over there, man, and will continue to be so for all time and it's not America's fault.

It's a shia sunni war and it's Iran versus most of the middle east, if you want to understand the situation then that's what you have to understand first.
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Re: Pro-US Yemen government overthrown, US vehicles fired on

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 26 Mar 2015, 03:40:43

Hm.. I guess one could have made a lot of money if they'd bought oil futures yesterday when the news first came out about "Saudi troops massing on the border:"



I knew this was going to happen. Because another factor here is, remember, that KSA has a new king and new government and Yemen has already been an ongoing problem / threat, and Iran is a threat, so with a new king they had to do something decisive after Yemeni government got pushed out by Iranian-backed forces.
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WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 26 Mar 2015, 05:03:24

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/26/middl ... irstrikes/

Saudi Arabia launches airstrikes in Yemen against Houthi rebels


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Yemen's oil production has decreased significantly since peaking in 2001 because of natural decline in the country's aging fields and frequent attacks on its oil infrastructure.

According to the Oil & Gas Journal, Yemen had proved reserves of oil totaling 3 billion barrels as of January 2014. Yemen has two primary crude streams, the light and sweet Marib stream and the medium-gravity and more sulfur-rich Masila stream. According to the government, the southeast Masila Basin holds more than 80% of the country's total reserves.

The combination of declining production in its mature fields and frequent attacks on its energy infrastructure has left Yemen's oil sector in poor shape. In 2013, there were at least 10 attacks on Yemen's oil and natural gas pipeline system, and some industry sources estimate closer to 24 attacks. In 2012, there were more than 15 attacks, and oil exports were completely offline for most of the first half of the year.
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby sparky » Thu 26 Mar 2015, 08:18:19

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funny that , same with Syria oil production , once on the depletion slope the place erupt
I'm not sure about Egypt but should be a close one , their Sinai fields were going flat and they got political turmoil
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Re: WAR! Saudis are bombing Huthis in Yemen

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 26 Mar 2015, 08:28:18

sparky wrote:.
funny that , same with Syria oil production , once on the depletion slope the place erupt
I'm not sure about Egypt but should be a close one , their Sinai fields were going flat and they got political turmoil



Yes an interesting thesis and for sure a deadly paradigm for all peaking producers and the world as a whole.

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