Quinny wrote:Where do you get your information from? This is absolute nonsense!
Moonrise, as seen from Les Eglantiers, one of the many housing projects in the northern 13th Arrondissement of Marseille. These buildings were constructed in the late ’60s and early ’70s to accommodate immigrant communities, especially Maghrebis
Marseille is one of France’s poorest cities, and most of its sizable Muslim population lives in large public housing projects. Squalid building conditions, rampant poverty and high unemployment have made drug dealing and violence commonplace, Mr. Choudhary said.
He blames flawed urban planning, institutional discrimination and government apathy for turning the buildings into “poverty traps,” while racial and religious discrimination makes it difficult for residents to move to better neighborhoods.
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/french-muslims-never-fully-at-home/?_r=0
Why don't we get back on topic.
So what are the agenda 21 ideas, regarding just walling off the poor into ghettos?
Is the new green urban vision for everyone, really?
The most I know about this topic, and the new kinds of zoning, are communities that seem like gated communities but they've got the jobs and retail there too. And then they'll throw in maybe ONE "affordable housing" apartment building in the middle of it. But the rents there are still out of sight, and the waiting lists long. Oh, and what they do now is they make it mixed so only like 20% or 30% or whatever of the apartments are income restricted. That income restriction is actually still ABOVE what most working class poor can afford.
So anyhow, people just live in poor areas -- that are not "green" -- and then they drive INTO the new "green, walkable" communities. Or they ride a bus. They sure as hell can't walk or ride a bicycle into them, I'm talking where I live by the way not france, the new style development projects are in the east county on old farmland.
AND HOW IS THAT green by the way, new green developments on what was farmland and wildlands before. This whole topic is just hilarious. "Green" growth is an oxymoron anyway, and we all know it.
I MOSTLY like how the new urban concepts look, over here at least it's still too sanitized though -- it's nice not seeing poor people, sure it is, but it also feels artificial to me.
The real problem actually is the extreme income disparity. So see. I'm not a Ted Cruz Republican after all. Wages have got to go up, we've got too many poor, and "green zones" for elites to live in and feel smug while eating goat cheese and arugala aren't gonna save the planet anyway.
Wages gotta got up, and then sure spruce our cities and towns up too, but don't do a new Segregation in America and call it green and feelgood. Seriously. So that's another thread, but the next election will be about wages -- can Democrats get them up, or is Bush right on the old "raising tide" argument. I'm in the middle of it.
So far what I've seen from Democrats is they have ignored the poor, and they're just so smugly green. What ever happened to caring about PEOPLE. Hm?