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Re: annual gasoline sales in the United States

Unread postby kublikhan » Fri 18 Jan 2013, 12:05:42

Not necessarily. There are other factors at play that explain the US's declining appetite for gasoline. These factors include increased mass transit usage, increased fuel economy, and increasing Ethanol usage. Ethanol production alone nearly tripled between 2006 and 2012. And mass transit ridership is hitting new records, straining the capacity of the US mass transit systems:

Use of public transit is soaring. Transit agencies had record or near-record ridership in the first three months of the year, thanks to high gas prices, a mild winter and, in one city, the Super Bowl.

At least a dozen communities set records for the number of people riding buses, trains and light rail, even though some cut service because of tight budgets, according to the American Public Transportation Association. More people returning to work helped, says Michael Melaniphy, the association's president and CEO.

He says ridership on what's called heavy rail — subways and elevated trains — increased in 14 of the 15 systems that have such transit. Use of light rail — streetcars and trolleys — rose in 25 of the 27 cities that have it. And 34 of 37 large cities saw increases in bus ridership. "It's nationwide," Melaniphy says. The result: fuller trains and buses straining the capacity of systems.

In Indianapolis, ridership on IndyGo's 30 bus routes was up 20% in the first three months of this year compared with that period last year, from 2.1 million rides to 2.5 million. Thousands of visitors for the Super Bowl in February, combined with a mild winter that made it easier for people to wait outside for a bus, contributed to the increase, says Bryan Luellen, an IndyGo spokesman. But the agency has a tight budget, he says, and as more riders fill the buses, there is little room to expand. "There are definitely loads where you can't handle demand, such as during rush hour," he says. Many riders don't have a car or take the bus because it is cheaper than driving.

San Diego's Metropolitan Transit System saw a record first quarter: 21.8 million rides on its three light-rail lines and 89 bus routes. The previous first-quarter record was 21.4 million in 2009.

Passengers such as Milt Phegley, 60, are one reason. Phegley calls himself a "choice rider," someone who could drive to work but chooses to ride the light rail and bus. He says he became a daily rider because of rising gas prices, which averaged $4.35 a gallon in May in California. He said a 40% discount from his employer on the $72 monthly transit pass didn't hurt. Every month, Phegley says, he sees more riders.
Use of public transit is soaring in 2012

Fueled partly by rising gas prices, public transportation ridership across the USA increased by 2.31% in 2011 over the previous year, the American Public Transportation Association reports. Americans last year took 235 million more trips on buses, trains and subways than in 2010. That's the most ridership since 2008, when gas prices soared to a national average of $4.11 a gallon in July.

Also driving ridership: an improving economy. Greater use came despite more than eight out of 10 transit systems either cutting service, increasing fares or both in recent years, says Michael Melaniphy, the association's president and CEO. "Can you imagine what ridership growth would have been like if they hadn't had to do those fare increases and service cuts?" An upside to recessionary times is transit agencies were forced to operate more efficiently and better care for existing systems and equipment.

Increased ridership was seen across the USA, the transportation association found. "It's not just an urban thing ," Melaniphy says. "When you look at small, rural parts of the country, cities under 100,000, the ridership increase was 5.4%, basically double the national average."

Intercity Transit in Olympia, Wash., for instance, saw its highest use in its 31-year history. Last year, there were 17,000 passenger trips a day, spokeswoman Meg Kester says. "More and more people are turning to transit as a transportation solution, not only in terms of travel to school and jobs, but also a solution for people's pocketbooks," she says.
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Re: annual gasoline sales in the United States

Unread postby kublikhan » Fri 18 Jan 2013, 12:18:26

University of Michigan researchers said Monday that new cars and light trucks sold in the United States in October had the highest average fuel economy ever recorded on American vehicles — 24.1 mpg combined.

Michael Sivak, one of the researchers, said in a telephone interview that new vehicle sales showed a four mile-per-gallon gain from October 2007 to October 2012, an improvement of about 20 percent.

“This is great news for consumers and the environment,” Luke Tonachel, a senior analyst in the transportation program at the Natural Resources Defense Council, said in an e-mail. “New cars being sold today make up the greenest car fleet ever, and we can look forward to even cleaner cars as fuel-efficiency standards continue to ramp up. If new cars had the efficiency of 2007 models, drivers would be spending another $8 billion a year at the pump.”
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Re: annual gasoline sales in the United States

Unread postby sparky » Fri 18 Jan 2013, 23:59:27

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Truth , truth and statistics
the graph is good but it's not giving the zero line it start at 2,000,000
and is thus a bit misleading , the consumption is back to 2001
it's good for sure but that was with a recession and the one off cash for clunkers
the trend should keep diving a bit but squeezing this lemon will give less juice

afterward , the pain level should substantially rise
the first gains are always the easiest ( in a masochist sort of way )
as for public transports , it's very good in densely populated urban areas
for the rest , better miles\PG will have to do for now
raising taxes on gasoline being off course politically impossible
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Re: annual gasoline sales in the United States

Unread postby EdwinSm » Sat 19 Jan 2013, 02:40:18

Yes, any set of figures could be affected by all sorts of other factors. Some of the ones you have brought up, such as increased use of public transport and more efficient cars, are positive responses to the early stages of Peak Oil.

I suppose I am looking for signs that a lower level of fossil fuel use is a beginning of transition to a new energy level dynamic. I know we cannot continue "Business as usual", but my (fairy-tinted, unicorn horned glasses) hope is that a gradual change now would make any later drop in energy-availablity levels more easy to manage. "More easy to manage", in this case means that while it will be painful (and maybe disasterous for some) that society could hold together during the change.
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Re: annual gasoline sales in the United States

Unread postby EdwinSm » Tue 22 Jan 2013, 02:23:46

The Oil Drum's Tech Talk puts this more in perspective with a longer term graph, so I am including that here for reference:
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More write-up at: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/9782#more
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Re: annual gasoline sales in the United States

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 27 Jan 2013, 03:21:54

EdwinSm wrote:I suppose I am looking for signs that a lower level of fossil fuel use is a beginning of transition to a new energy level dynamic. I know we cannot continue "Business as usual", but my (fairy-tinted, unicorn horned glasses) hope is that a gradual change now would make any later drop in energy-availablity levels more easy to manage. ...


Edwin: I think you are right FOR THE FIRST WORLD. The problem is the third world, 3 billion+ strong, led by Chindia, with a burgeoning emerging middle class, has an insatiable appetite for cars and the other trappings of the middle class ilk. This, unfortunately, seems to be overwhelming first world growth, and I believe will continue to, as virtually all long term graphs of expected future global economic growth and the slice of the economic pie the (current) third world will have is expected to grow considerably. (Growth correlates highly with total energy usage).

I am a strong believer that the coming improvements in the CAFE standards will continue to have a very meaningful impact on especially the US, but also western Europe, etc. (assuming they actually get ENFORCED this time around -- that remains to be seen). That's a good thing. For global BAU growth though, we're facing a BAD thing, and given humans' short term thinking, I don't see any reasonable way to change it.
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Re: annual gasoline sales in the United States

Unread postby KingM » Sun 27 Jan 2013, 09:30:04

If it were up to me, we'd see more of this. Increase the gas tax by ten cents per year and double down on CAFE. Use the extra gas taxes to fund transit. Our goal should be regional high speed rail and efficient, European-style rail everywhere in the country that it is remotely feasible.
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Re: annual gasoline sales in the United States

Unread postby dinopello » Sun 27 Jan 2013, 11:45:16

KingM wrote:If it were up to me, we'd see more of this. Increase the gas tax by ten cents per year and double down on CAFE. Use the extra gas taxes to fund transit.


Our Governor Bob has just proposed almost the exact opposite of that plan

RICHMOND — Gov. Robert F. McDonnell proposed Tuesday an ambitious overhaul of how Virginia pays for roads, rail and transit, including eliminating the gas tax and replacing it with an increase in the sales tax.

The overall plan, which would raise an estimated $3.1 billion over five years, also would increase vehicle-registration fees and add an annual $100 charge for drivers of alternative-fuel cars.


This guy wants to be President in 2016 too.

And, he wants to keep exempting gas from the sales tax

He would eliminate the gas tax entirely, but also keep exempting gas from the sales tax. He said, "That's right, no more gas tax at the pump. No sales tax at the pump either."


The polling is a bit confusing on this issue

While a majority supported the tax swap provision of McDonnell's plan that does away with the gas tax, 66 percent also supported raising the gas tax to increase transportation funding.


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Global Gasoline Guzzling Set To Plummet

Unread postby Graeme » Mon 04 Aug 2014, 21:48:28

Global Gasoline Guzzling Set To Plummet

Policies designed to minimise and redefine dependence upon oil for transportation have been the talk of many towns around the world over the past several years, leading Navigant Research to posit that gasoline consumption for road transportation will fall by 4% from 2014 to 2035.

Policies intended to reduce fuel consumption have ranged from subsidising alternative fuels and alternative-fuel vehicles, making the development of new and economic biofuels a priority, as well as higher fuel-economy requirements for new vehicles. Each policy has been one step in a cleaner future, and another nail in the coffin of traditional fuel-oriented transportation.

“The anticipated effects of climate change are driving international cooperation on mitigation efforts, including reducing oil consumption in the transportation sector,” says Scott Shepard, research analyst with Navigant Research.

“Markets for both vehicles and fuels have gradually begun to respond to these efforts, and alternative fuels ‑ including electricity, natural gas, and biodiesel ‑ are beginning to have an impact on global oil demand.”


With more than 1.2 billion vehicles on the world’s roads today — a number which continues to grow each year — global dependence upon oil couldn’t be higher. This is a dependence many governments would like to extricate themselves from, as it is a dependence which results in major costs affecting national energy security, environmental security, economic stability, and in some situations, real national security.

Navigant Research predicts that annual global road transportation-related energy consumption will grow from 81.1 quadrillion Btu in 2014 to 101.7 quadrillion Btu in 2035. In slightly less frightening numbers, that means that gasoline consumption will rise through to 2021, reaching 367.3 billion gallons a year, before beginning to fall, declining towards 348.1 billion gallons a year in 2035.


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Re: Global Gasoline Guzzling Set To Plummet

Unread postby EdwinSm » Tue 05 Aug 2014, 05:32:17

A 4% fall is in the right direction but to call that "Plummet" seems to be redefining the English language. :roll:
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Re: Global Gasoline Guzzling Set To Plummet

Unread postby Logic » Tue 05 Aug 2014, 14:28:55

EdwinSm wrote:A 4% fall is in the right direction but to call that "Plummet" seems to be redefining the English language. :roll:


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Re: Global Gasoline Guzzling Set To Plummet

Unread postby MD » Tue 05 Aug 2014, 18:32:51

We should talk more about gasoline and its changing fractional percentage of global production.

Gasoline is a mix of hexane and other anes; octane being the one that people recognize most.

Its mix is not fixed, which is a point most people miss. Not fixed by a long shot. Summer and winter blends are just a start. All kinds of recipes have been cooked up over the years. "Tiger In Your Tank" and all that.

The available mix of production coming out of refineries is much more important than the weekly sum reports (that include what exactly? mix of the week?)

Gasoline is declining. There just ain't enough. Never will be from here on out.
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Re: Global Gasoline Guzzling Set To Plummet

Unread postby Fishman » Wed 06 Aug 2014, 19:22:02

And India and China flood their streets with millions of new cars.... and negates all the above navel contemplation
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Re: Global Gasoline Guzzling Set To Plummet

Unread postby ralfy » Fri 08 Aug 2014, 05:37:23

From what I remember, significant amounts of oil are used worldwide for activities other than providing fuel for passenger vehicles.
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US road travel surges 5 pct in Dec lifted by cheap gasoline

Unread postby GHung » Fri 13 Mar 2015, 09:31:38

(Reuters) - U.S. motorists took to the roads in record numbers in December, capping the fastest annual increase in miles driven for a decade, federal data showed on Thursday, a surge that analysts attribute to cheap gasoline and uptick in car sales.

Motorists drove an estimated 251.4 billion miles in December, up 5 percent from last year and the most miles ever for the month, according to data released Thursday by the Federal Highway Administration. It was the 10th consecutive month of year-to-year growth and the fastest rate for any month since 2001.

Overall, motorists drove nearly 3.02 trillion miles on U.S. roads in 2014, the highest number since 2007 and the second-highest since data collection began 79 years ago, the federal data showed. Miles driven rose by 1.7 percent for the year, the biggest growth rate since 2004.

The data helps explain the large 4.4 percent increase in U.S. gasoline consumption in December to 9.3 million barrels per day, the highest since the U.S. Energy Information Administration began reporting the number is 1945.

"Two things come to mind: huge numbers in new vehicle sales in November and December and much lower gas prices," said Robert Sinclair, spokesman for AAA, which predicted that December's holiday season would be record breaking.

He noted that vehicle sales for the November and December were the highest in history for the two months, with nearly 3 million vehicles sold.

"People with new cars like to drive them," he said.......

More: http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/03/1 ... F820150312


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Re: US road travel surges 5 pct in Dec lifted by cheap gasol

Unread postby Pops » Fri 13 Mar 2015, 10:10:29

Wait just a doggone minute!

I thought oil no longer had any value and gasoline was headed to 25¢ a gallon!

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Re: US road travel surges 5 pct in Dec lifted by cheap gasol

Unread postby GHung » Fri 13 Mar 2015, 10:12:58

Gosh, Pops, that's what you get for thinking. It's unAmerican.
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Re: US road travel surges 5 pct in Dec lifted by cheap gasol

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 13 Mar 2015, 11:11:16

Well the question is for how long can the "party" last. Cheap gasoline courtesy of tar sands, corn converted to gas, deep sea drilling etc. How long can these unsustainable manners whose EROI is not that good, keep going to allow for this cheap oil. From what I have understood on this site, was not peak reached in 2005-6 at least in terms of conventional oil. So ever since, I am have been awaiting and expecting a permanent rise in oil price (it looked like this happened in 2008) but so far nothing. We shall see
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Re: US road travel surges 5 pct in Dec lifted by cheap gasol

Unread postby frankthetank » Fri 13 Mar 2015, 12:19:43

I figured this was coming when we dropped so hard. Personally everyone I know of, at one point or another, has made the comment that "because gas is so cheap I'll drive" to x y or z... Personally i doubt i increased my driving at all the last few months.

With airfare so expensive, I'm sure some just drove to their destination. I know for my family if i was to go to Florida...airplane tickets probably $400 or more x 5..i could drive there for a few hundred and not have to rent a vehicle when i got there.
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Re: US road travel surges 5 pct in Dec lifted by cheap gasol

Unread postby Pops » Fri 13 Mar 2015, 12:25:45

The problem is the flow not the eri.

Lots of oil in the pipeline has great eroi, fields and wells that have been putting out like [chauvinistic comment withheld] for 20 & 30 & 50 years or more work great at $30/bbl.

It is the marginal barrel that has the low return on investment - mostly investment of CashDollar rather than energy but yeah, energy too. It is the marginal barrel that has the premium price, it is the marginal barrel that causes the wars. If all we wanted was the 30mmb/d we used in the '60's we'd probably get it easily for $30/bbl for quite some time yet (using Pops Rule O Thumb of $1/mmbbl/day of supply).

But - that would mean - GASP! - we would only want to drive 10 or 15 miles per day rather than 36!

Snark aside, people will drive just as far as they can afford. Then they won't.
They question then becomes
(i) guess when "can't/won't" happens, or
(ii) stop now

and there is always
(iii) ignore it
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