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Re: Russian Peak

Unread postby Loki » Fri 18 Apr 2014, 23:11:57

TheDude wrote:Meanwhile there's always that unconventional stuff: Lukoil, Total agree to work on Siberian Bazhenov shale oil-report | Energy & Oil | Reuters

Interfax also reported an unnamed Lukoil representative told it the company plans to extract some 100,000 tonnes of oil (733,000 barrels) at the Bazhenov formation this year. Reuters could not reach Lukoil on Saturday.


2kb/d, in other words. Gotta start somewhere. The initial Bakken production 10 years ago was mighty lean, too.

I read everything I can find on the Bazhenov. A formation the size of Texas and the GOM put together could bring more than a few barrels to market, even with really awful recovery rates. Of course if they flood the market tight oil itself won't be economical in the first place, but hey...


The possibility of Russian tight oil flooding the market and dropping the price below production costs won't keep me up at night. But I'd guess there's a better than zero chance of Russia and a few other key countries developing unconventional reservoirs to a much greater extent then many of our fellow peak oilers might think, counteracting depletion of conventional reservoirs. We're already seeing this, not due to some great technological advance, but simply due to oil getting more expensive and society getting more desperate to maintain our energy fix.

Once the tight oil bubble pops (slowly, and from global region to region), I think we could very well see a coal-to-liquids bubble take its place in the US, Russia, China, India, et al. We'll burn everything we can. The key variable is how much we can afford to burn.

All scraping the bottom of the barrel, of course, but it flattens out the peak of Mt. Hubbert. Slow grind down.
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Re: Russian Peak

Unread postby Subjectivist » Sat 19 Apr 2014, 05:27:20

Loki wrote:The possibility of Russian tight oil flooding the market and dropping the price below production costs won't keep me up at night. But I'd guess there's a better than zero chance of Russia and a few other key countries developing unconventional reservoirs to a much greater extent then many of our fellow peak oilers might think, counteracting depletion of conventional reservoirs. We're already seeing this, not due to some great technological advance, but simply due to oil getting more expensive and society getting more desperate to maintain our energy fix.

Once the tight oil bubble pops (slowly, and from global region to region), I think we could very well see a coal-to-liquids bubble take its place in the US, Russia, China, India, et al. We'll burn everything we can. The key variable is how much we can afford to burn.

All scraping the bottom of the barrel, of course, but it flattens out the peak of Mt. Hubbert. Slow grind down.


The problem with every technology solution is the same, we don't dare falter, because if we do fall off our horse we will have a heck of a time catching it to remount. Without large investments of time and money, equipment and specialized skills we can't access the LTO, and if we don't build the coal to oil plants while the LTO is still flowing the time to build the equipment and train the specialists will quickly pass. We should be building those plants and training those specialists today while our money is still worth something and we still have time.
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Re: Russian Peak

Unread postby Pops » Sat 19 Apr 2014, 07:33:13

The glitch in the conventional peak scenario so far is that the price was supposed to skyrocket because there was nowhere left to drill. That was wrong on 2 counts, first, the price can't skyrocket and second, there will always be somewhere left to drill.

Price can't skyrocket (as much as Gold Sacks would like it too) simply because the consumer does not have unlimited funds, to pay an unlimited price, to drive unlimited miles. Here at the apparent peak and US$4 unleaded, it is still easy to conserve around the edges and the price has been adjusted to to a great extent. Mom doesn't like denying the kids a drive across town for soccer or their 3rd trip to the mall this week but she will do it. That's the top part of the wedge, the demand ceiling.

Secondly, because no extraction technique is 100% efficient, there will always be somewhere left to drill/dig/etc, it just depends on incentive. Any old peaker knows that the "rule" is that peak happens at the halfway point, which means, obviously, that half is left. The second half must come from somewhere even if it costs a lot more.

That's the bottom half of the wedge, the production floor.

The question is which way is the wedge pointing?

If it's pointing up: rising sell price matches rising cost to produce. That means the consumer is becoming more efficient, using fewer units in order to pay more per unit to achieve the same GDP. Absolute production or even production as measured as Net Energy doesn't necessarily need to rise if Utility increases, think Shanghai motorbike-pickup-trucks vs Expeditions to the Quik Sac.

But if the wedge is pointing down (and per capita production is not increasing) it means the consumer is not able to increase utility further so is being forced out of the market for the marginal barrel. And necessarily, being out of the market means falling real GDP.

The new wrinkle that I hadn't heard about in the past is declining investment. Right now we have been hearing that the incentive to invest is on shaky ground, hard to know if that is just retrenchment on the part of a few companies and NOCs or if it's a sea change in investment. Maybe because lots of the PO pundits were from the rock side of the biz we didn't hear much comment about the profit side? I don't know. It's especially notable that Matt Simmons wasn't shouting about profits instead of geology, he was a banker after all.

Some NOC exporters look to be having the same problem as the major IOCs, which is that unhappy "shareholders" are demanding short term profits after a long spell of unprofitable exploration and capital expenditures. MENA, Mexico, Venezuela and maybe Russia are all in the same boat as Shell. Russia taxes oil exports as such:
US$29.2 per tonne + 60% x (Price-US$182.5 per tonne)
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Looks pretty steep, and that's before income tax.


A little of topic . . .
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Re: Russian Peak

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sat 19 Apr 2014, 13:12:13

Nice discovery for sure but not huge surprise: the local trend contains over 100 large fields. And the future: Dmitry Adamidov, head of the company developing the new field: "...opening of (this field) does not eliminate the problem of finding new resources. Even in the best case, it will add to the total oil production about 5 million tons per year, which today is about 1% of the total production. Eastern Siberia will remain in absolute priority." So if I have the math right it will take about 60 years to recover the hoped for 300 million tons. And that's his" best case" estimate.
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Re: Russian Peak

Unread postby ennui2 » Sat 19 Apr 2014, 14:48:37

pstarr wrote:the destabilizing effects of the oil price variance has also been implicated in the so-called 'Great Recession.'(same article). Otherwise all we hear about is the undersupply of "creditworthy borrowers", "relatively safe, income generating investments " and "money" . . . never oil. (same article)


Still flogging that one are you? Your attempt to link the recession to peak-oil hasn't stopped peak-oil from completely falling off the radar to the point where even TheOilDrum packed it in. Might be time to rewrite your narrative.
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Re: Russian Peak

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sat 19 Apr 2014, 17:08:37

E - "...hasn't stopped peak-oil from completely falling off the radar". LOLLLLL. I gather that as a result of diminishing fossil fuels you haven't noticed the 300% increase in the price of oil or the fact that in the last 10 years the world's economies have transferred $5 TRILLION more then they would have to the oil producers had it not been for those higher prices? And for the love of Dog I wish folks would stop tossing out "the Oil Drum is dead so dead so PO must be dead" straw man. At the least don' be goofy enough to post it on a site where the PO discussion is alive and doing very well, thank you. LOL.

Perhaps you're just one of those unfortunate souls that doesn't understand the date of global peak oil (whenever it might be) will be an insignificant footnote on the history books. It's the dynamics of the demand/supply situation that rules our lives today. Not some meaningless date on a calendar IMHO.
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Re: Russian Peak

Unread postby Pops » Sun 13 Jul 2014, 07:14:12

Russian oil production expected to drop

MOSCOW, July 7 (UPI) --An anticipated drop in oil production by 2016 is expected to hurt the Russian economy, the Russian Finance Ministry said Monday.
The ministry said Monday it expects a $4.5 billion decline in oil export revenue because of an anticipated 6.3 percent drop in oil production from 2014 figures.

The ministry said the federal budget next year will receive about $2.2 billion less than expected because of a contraction in exports.

A report on the Russian economy from the World Bank in March said real gross domestic product growth in 2013 was 1.3 percent, compared with 3.4 percent in 2012. There's a "confidence crisis" emerging within the Russian economy, the bank warned.

"In the past, the lack of comprehensive structural reforms was masked by a growth model based on large investment projects, continued increases in public wages, and transfers -- all fueled by sizable oil revenues," it said.

Russian energy exports last year accounted for more than 10 percent of GDP.

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Re: Russian Peak

Unread postby Quinny » Sun 13 Jul 2014, 18:25:57

pretty significant IMHO!
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Re: Russian Peak

Unread postby Pops » Mon 08 Sep 2014, 16:34:21

Not sure why they keep announcing this?

Russia Sees Oil Output Edging Down In 2015

MOSCOW, Sept 8 (Reuters) - Russian oil production, a major source of government revenue, may decline slightly next year, having risen steadily since 2009, the Energy Ministry said on Monday.

The ministry said oil production in 2015 was seen at 525 million tonnes (10.54 million barrels per day) compared to an expected 525.3 million tonnes this year.

Last year's oil output, which generates 40 percent of state revenues, stood at 523.3 million tonnes, a post-Soviet high.

Output declined by 0.6 percent in 2008 because of a global financial crisis, but has risen steadily since 2009 thanks to the introduction of a more favourable tax regime and other fiscal measures.

With Russia's $2 trillion economy heavily dependent on crude exports and on the brink of recession, oil production and prices are closely monitored by the Kremlin. The government is particularly wary now as tensions with the West mount over the Ukraine crisis.

Sanctions imposed by the United States and European Union have not yet hit oil production as the measures are aimed at new projects which are years away from coming on stream. But as Western funding closes off or becomes too expensive, companies are looking to cut investments.

The Energy Ministry said that oil output was seen level in 2016 and would return to a rising trend in 2017 when it was seen at 526 million tonnes.

It gave no explanation for the decline, saying that it had sent the forecast to the Economy Ministry and that this was the figure that should be used to map out taxation for minerals' extraction as well for social and economic development.

However, oil production has been broadly in decline this year mostly due to the depletion of West Siberia's oilfields and uncertainty over the government's taxation policy.

Russia plans to maintain its oil production at no less than 10 million barrels per day this decade.

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Re: Russian Peak

Unread postby Subjectivist » Mon 08 Sep 2014, 17:00:14

Pops wrote:Not sure why they keep announcing this?

Russia Sees Oil Output Edging Down In 2015



I would guess that $100.00 brent is giving Russia a pain in the wallet so this is a gambit to boost the international price.
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Re: Russian Peak

Unread postby JV153 » Tue 09 Sep 2014, 08:38:43

Ennui2,

More like world depression, but on the internet sites pop up and disappear every few minutes. You could try the peakoilbarrel.com if you miss theoildrum.com.
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Russia - possibly cut oil production

Unread postby EdwinSm » Mon 24 Nov 2014, 06:53:16

Oil prices are having a serious effect on Russia:

The falling oil price is costing Russia up to $100bn a year, while Western sanctions have hit the country by $40bn, its finance minister has said.

Anton Siluanov made the comments on Monday at an international financial and economic forum.

Reports on Monday suggested Russia could cut its oil production by about 300,000 barrels a day in an attempt to support the oil price.

Opec members meet in Vienna this week where falling prices will be discussed...Analysts expect the Opec oil cartel to agree a cut in production to support prices. Brent crude closed on Friday just above $80 a barrel, while US crude was at $76.51.

"At minimum, in order for the rouble not to decline, a commitment by Opec to stop oversupply and hold to its official 30 million barrels per day production target is probably required," said Tom Levinson, an analyst at Sberbank.

Russian energy minister Alexander Novak said last week that Moscow was considering cutting its oil output, but said the measure had yet to be agreed.

Alexei Ulyukayev, the economic development minister, said last week that the slide in the oil price could have a significant impact on people and companies in Russia.

The European Union and the United States imposed sanctions on Russia following its annexation of the Crimea region in Ukraine and its alleged involvement in eastern Ukraine.

The rouble gained more than 2% against both the US dollar and euro on Monday, helped by the slight recovery in oil prices. The currency has fallen by almost 30% against the dollar this year.

Russia's central bank had been spending billions in a bid to prop up the rouble, but said earlier this month that it would limit its intervention.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30174650
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Re: Russia - possibly cut oil production

Unread postby Islander » Mon 24 Nov 2014, 09:27:22

I remember reading somewhere that Russia can't cut back on production because if they do, their wells would freeze up. Does anyone know if that is true?
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Re: Russia - possibly cut oil production

Unread postby Subjectivist » Mon 24 Nov 2014, 09:32:36

Islander wrote:I remember reading somewhere that Russia can't cut back on production because if they do, their wells would freeze up. Does anyone know if that is true?


Surely slowing pumping 10-15 percent is different than shutting in a well. Reducing pumping rates should work just fine, growing up we let faucets drip to prevent line freezing in winter cold snaps.
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Re: Russia - possibly cut oil production

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Mon 24 Nov 2014, 16:15:15

Actually the production equipment on many wells includes a "heater treater": it keeps the wellhead from freezing. But in many cases it isn't the ambient air temperature causing the freezing problem but the endothermic reaction when the production (NG much more so then oil) reaches the well head: the reduction in pressure of the NG will actually freeze the piping shut even if the NG is 200F coming out of the reservoir. So we'll burn some of the produced NG in the heater treater to keep the lines flowing. Not so much a problem with oil production unless it has a lot of NG in it. But oil flowing from 5,000' or deeper will be at 150F to 200F when it reaches the well head. The low air temps are more of a problem moving the oil out of the lease tanks or down the pipeline. Depends on the gravity of the oil. Decades ago I produced some nasty stuff I had to run steam generates to heat the oil up to get it to flow down hill into barges when they came once a month to pick it up. But I had a clever engineer who took the hot water off some production equipment cooling systems and transferred the heat to the oil tank. Kept the oil warm enough all month long. Not only did it save the cost of running the steam generators I saved about $25k in chemicals every month I was using to keep the paraffin in the oil from breaking out.

But bottom line: even a small amount of 100F+ oil moving thru a well head will keep it from freezing. Getting a 30 ton oil tanker moving over an ice covered road is a different problem. Which is why some of the tanker drivers (many with only a high school degree) in the Bakken are getting paid $100k/year.
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Re: Russia - possibly cut oil production

Unread postby Synapsid » Mon 24 Nov 2014, 20:26:53

ROCKMAN,

"endothermic"?

For shame--that's adiabatic cooling. You put that in there just to poke me.
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Re: Russia - possibly cut oil production

Unread postby sparky » Mon 24 Nov 2014, 22:45:35

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Typical grouch about heavy ,disgusting heavies , decreasing the production can increase the gas velocity in the pipes
Hydrates are a common problem ,so is hammer shock in the pipe when a slug of liquid come through , pretty common at the receiving end of a long pipeline ,
at 30$ a barrel "saving" for not exporting , the barrels are not lost , they are still there , edged
for 100.000 barrel that's 3 millions bucks not bad for a one year play , not so hot for longer
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Russians forecast to 2040

Unread postby dashster » Tue 03 Feb 2015, 04:33:00

I am looking at a report from two Russian organizations, that someone referenced on Peak Oil Barrel. They forecast energy in 2040 as compared to 2010:

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They also forecast energy consumption growth to 2040 by region:

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and per-capita energy consumption by region (Russia is predicted to pass the US and lead the world):

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They are way more bullish on US shale than the EIA:
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Re: Russians forecast to 2040

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 03 Feb 2015, 05:29:45

dashster wrote:and per-capita energy consumption by region (Russia is predicted to pass the US and lead the world):


That makes sense, *per capita*. And bear in mind, energy *consumption* isn't necessarily a good thing as that is not taking into account energy efficiency.

They are way more bullish on US shale than the EIA:


They're right.

Interesting post, by the way!
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