[Outcast_Searcher]

NASA chips in with a binary with multiple planets. So... yeah.

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Coming less than a year after the announcement of the first circumbinary planet, Kepler-16b, this discovery proves that more than one planet can form and persist in the stressful realm of a binary star. The discovery demonstrates the diversity of planetary systems in our galaxy."

But I'm assured that's impossible. Maybe someone should shoot an email off to NASA.

Based on the fact that we know now that MANY star systems are multi-star systems, and all the exoplanets we keep finding, this is hardly surprising. Until recently it was very tough to find anything but gas giants though, so it's NOT surprising it took a long time to find such an example.

It just kills me how people will state things are "impossible" even when the evidence for them is clear. When I was a kid, I was regularly told by adults that it was IMPOSSIBLE for a bumblebee to fly. (Which I always found peculiar, when I'd watch one fly by or hover at a flower.)

When I tried to point out (in SCIENCE class) that we must not UNDERSTAND something about the bumblebee and how it flies (i.e. rejecting a "miracle, and proof of God" argument) I was sent to the principal's office. Then I got yelled at as the principal refused to believe WHY I was sent to the office.

Even at age 10, I then more fully realized (in a moment of terrifying clarity) just how irrational adults were -- even those in power.

Humans are indeed interesting creatures.

[Keith_McClary]

Select the correct picture?

Where is URANUS?

[sparky]

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In the spring mattress model , what are the crown of bright things in front of the sun ?
It's actually quite cute ,even if for practical purpose the flat LP model is mathematically closer

[vision-master]

Problem with your LP model is:

The proof of Dr. Bhat's assertion that the outer planets can be seen throughout the year! The inner ones disappear in the 30 degree cone of illumination of the Sun, they do not pass behind it as claimed by academia. The two to three weeks the outer planets disappear is due to their being within the 30 degree cone of illumination of the Sun from an Earth bound perspective.

[sparky]

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Cute but no cigar ,
if the outer and inner planet disappears in a 30degree arc we are closer to flat than the 45 degree lagg depicted in the spring mattress

[AgentR11]

Thing that bothers me most about suggesting that we don't have a good understanding of the orbits of the major bodies in the solar system is that you have to deny that this: Voyager 2 at Neptune happened. aka Conspiracy.

It is not possible to have gotten that data without having quite accurate mathematical knowledge of the orbits and masses of the various planets and the sun.

Its not like an airplane where you point it at something you can see and just drive there.

[meemoe_uk]

erm.... why is this thread in the PO - environment forum?
Is burning fossil fuel impacting the gas giants now?

[vision-master]

Dr. Bhat and the helical model is correct....though you have to read 'between the lines'

December 03, 2012

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft has entered a new region at the far reaches of our solar system that scientists feel is the final area the spacecraft has to cross before reaching interstellar space.

Scientists refer to this new region as a magnetic highway for charged particles because our sun's magnetic field lines are connected to interstellar magnetic field lines. This connection allows lower-energy charged particles that originate from inside our heliosphere -- or the bubble of charged particles the sun blows around itself -- to zoom out and allows higher-energy particles from outside to stream in. Before entering this region, the charged particles bounced around in all directions, as if trapped on local roads inside the heliosphere.

The Voyager team infers this region is still inside our solar bubble because the direction of the magnetic field lines has not changed. The direction of these magnetic field lines is predicted to change when Voyager breaks through to interstellar space. The new results were described at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco on Monday.



http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?r ... 2012-381#5

[sparky]

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Let it run ,put it into the science "what's that good for " category

As for astronomy , they have the mechanics right , a probability of partial arc around the further planets was postulated by Fresnel in the 19th century ,
an overflight by one of the probe proved it to be the case

an engineer can make good predictions on decades , doctors can prognoses for months
weather men ( here in OZ ) cannot predict the weather by looking at the windows
astronomers can make good predictions on millenias

[dohboi]

Utterly tedious, boring and unoriginal.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/weather ... ctions.htm

OK, now you have the site. You can look these idiocies up for yourself.

If you continue posting such garbage we will know that you are either totally idiotic yourself, or totally malicious and deceitful (though still not very original or intelligent).

[vision-master]

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Let it run ,put it into the science "what's that good for " category

As for astronomy , they have the mechanics right , a probability of partial arc around the further planets was postulated by Fresnel in the 19th century ,
an overflight by one of the probe proved it to be the case

an engineer can make good predictions on decades , doctors can prognoses for months
weather men ( here in OZ ) cannot predict the weather by looking at the windows
astronomers can make good predictions on millenias

If'n 'they' have the mechanics right, how come the 'Earths Wobble' is full of holes?

Precession Riddle

If there are 50 arc seconds of earth wobble in 365.2563 spins of the earth then how much wobble (precession) is there in 365.2422 spins of the earth? Please take a moment to calculate your answer before reading on.

Logically, if the earth wobbles 50 arc seconds in 365 days, 6 hours, 9 minutes and 9 seconds (a time period equivalent to a sidereal year) then it should wobble 99.99% of this amount in 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes and 46 seconds (a tropical year time period). But because the cause of precession has been misdiagnosed – the lunisolar theory has no way to logically answer the question – so the question becomes a riddle. Precession is the value of the delta between the two years.

The best answer under current lunisolar precession theory has to be: there is no wobble in a tropical year but for the next 20 minutes after that - the earth wobbles a full 50 arc seconds! The answer under the binary model is simple and logical: The earth does not wobble but it does change orientation to objects outside the solar system as the solar system curves through space. In the time period known as a tropical year it has curved through space 99.99% of the 50 arc seconds (of precession) found in a sidereal year. Therefore the phenomenon known as precession can only be due to the changing orientation of the solar system as it curves through space – it has almost nothing to do with a local wobbling of the earth.


http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/ ... meas.shtml

[kirahzeer]

Wasn't there another 10th planet announced about a year ago? What happened to that?

Maybe your mistaken, as far as I know they doesn't announced a new planet but instead removed one and that is pluto, though the scientist is still working on.

[Keith_McClary]

Research says Mars had oxygen-rich atmosphere 4000 million years ago

Differences between Martian meteorites and rocks examined by a NASA rover can be explained if Mars had an oxygen-rich atmosphere 4000 million years ago—well before the rise of atmospheric oxygen on Earth 2500 million years ago.

Other than photosynthesis, what could cause an oxygen-rich atmosphere?

[Tanada]

Research says Mars had oxygen-rich atmosphere 4000 million years ago

Differences between Martian meteorites and rocks examined by a NASA rover can be explained if Mars had an oxygen-rich atmosphere 4000 million years ago—well before the rise of atmospheric oxygen on Earth 2500 million years ago.

Other than photosynthesis, what could cause an oxygen-rich atmosphere?

Theoretically thermophillic bacteria could use chemosynthesis to reduce water to hydrogen and oxygen and bind the hydrogen to CO2 to form simple sugars. Just because life on Earth evolved to use ultraviolet light to power the reaction does not mean it is the only method that works, just that we know it works on Earth .

[Serial_Worrier]

Research says Mars had oxygen-rich atmosphere 4000 million years ago

Differences between Martian meteorites and rocks examined by a NASA rover can be explained if Mars had an oxygen-rich atmosphere 4000 million years ago—well before the rise of atmospheric oxygen on Earth 2500 million years ago.

Other than photosynthesis, what could cause an oxygen-rich atmosphere?

You actually buy the fiction of the "Great Oxygenation Event"?

[dohboi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dckSQeB3LRc

[Keith_McClary]

Research says Mars had oxygen-rich atmosphere 4000 million years ago

Differences between Martian meteorites and rocks examined by a NASA rover can be explained if Mars had an oxygen-rich atmosphere 4000 million years ago—well before the rise of atmospheric oxygen on Earth 2500 million years ago.

Other than photosynthesis, what could cause an oxygen-rich atmosphere?

You actually buy the fiction of the "Great Oxygenation Event"?

What is your non-fiction version?

[dohboi]

I've got one question: Why the f is this topic a sticky in the Environment threads???

[Tanada]

I've got one question: Why the f is this topic a sticky in the Environment threads???

Because you can not prove life is limited to Earth.

[Keith_McClary]

I've got one question: Why the f is this topic a sticky in the Environment threads???

Because you can not prove life is limited to Earth.

Then we need "The Universe Thread".