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THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby AgentR11 » Fri 25 May 2012, 21:32:38

I've said it in other places, Bernanke is a friggin genius. We are comfortable, and fretting about trivia, while the rest of the developed world is trying to figure out how to not self destruct.
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby mattduke » Sat 26 May 2012, 12:54:35

China and Japan Drop Dollar For Bilateral Trade
Japan and China are expected to start direct trading of their currencies as early as June as part of efforts to boost bilateral trade and investment, reports said on Saturday.

With the planned step, exchange rates between the yen and the yuan will be determined by their transactions, departing from the current 'cross rate' system that involves the dollar in setting yen-yuan rates, Kyodo News said.

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNew ... 03498.html
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby KingM » Sat 26 May 2012, 13:08:15

The dollar has officially been the trading currency since Bretton Woods in 1944, and the reserve currency in place of gold since the Nixon shock in 1971. This thread about the dollar crash began almost seven years ago, in 2005. This thread, in other words, has been predicting the death of the dollar for 17% of the life of the dollar as the reserve currency and over 10% of the entire age of the Bretton Woods system.

Crash implies a certain velocity, wouldn't you say? If this is the end of the dollar, it's so slow moving as to be almost imperceptible.
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby mattduke » Sat 26 May 2012, 14:01:08

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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 27 May 2012, 04:29:07

mattduke wrote:Image

...but gold would make a long blue strip...
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby eXpat » Thu 31 May 2012, 10:24:41

Tomorrow another nail
Japan and China to start direct currency trading on Friday
TOKYO —

Japan and China will start direct currency trading this week, Tokyo said Tuesday, the first time Beijing has let a major unit other than the dollar swap with the yuan.

The move, which will scrap the greenback as an intermediary unit, comes as China introduces measures as part of a long-term goal of internationalizing its currency to rival the dollar.


The two-way trade will also be allowed to move in a wider range than the narrow band at which the dollar and yuan change hands, Dow Jones Newswires and the Nikkei business daily reported.

China will set a daily rate based on dealer quotes with trade allowed to move within a 3% band above or below that rate, the reports said, compared with a 1% band fixed to yuan-dollar trading.

The Chinese central bank earlier Tuesday introduced a rate of 7.9480 yuan for every 100 yen, Dow Jones said.

However, there will be no fixed rates in Tokyo trade with the currencies trading freely, according to the same media reports which provided no further details.

http://www.japantoday.com/category/business/view/japan-and-china-to-start-direct-currency-trading-on-friday
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby GoIllini » Fri 01 Jun 2012, 10:49:47

Let's just say that with the amount of money rushing out of Greece and Europe right now- not to mention parts of Asia- the US has never been such a strong reserve currency.

And it's hurting the market. When folks are willing to give you 0.8 Euros instead of 0.7 for that trip to France or to buy that BMW with, the market looks more expensive and you invest less. And then when you look at foreign oil companies and manufacturers, a cheap Euro means it's cheaper to buy them.

Expect a QE3 announcement. Bernanke is not a genius, but the Eurozone is run by idiots. Switch back to your old currencies, monetize your debts, and figure out a way to have expenses and revenues be equal. And US fiscal policy needs to begin following that sooner rather than later (though there is significant room for monetary stimulus.)
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby mattduke » Wed 06 Jun 2012, 18:43:53

Disappointing U.S. economic data, new strains in financial markets and deepening worries about Europe's fiscal crisis have prompted a shift at the Federal Reserve, putting back on the table the possibility of action to spur the recovery.

By "action" they mean dollar printing.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 53684.html
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Thu 07 Jun 2012, 12:18:14

Collapse at Hand - The Economy Comes Unglued

PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS has a theory:
The small percentage of Americans who are aware and informed are puzzled why the banksters have escaped with their financial crimes without prosecution. The answer might be that the banks “too big to fail” are adjuncts of Washington and the Federal Reserve in maintaining the stability of the dollar and Treasury bond markets in the face of an untenable Fed policy.

Let us first look at how the big banks can keep the interest rates on Treasuries low, below the rate of inflation, despite the constant increase in US debt as a percent of GDP–thus preserving the Treasury’s ability to service the debt.

The imperiled banks too big to fail have a huge stake in low interest rates and the success of the Fed’s policy. The big banks are positioned to make the Fed’s policy a success. JPMorganChase and other giant-sized banks can drive down Treasury interest rates and, thereby, drive up the prices of bonds, producing a rally, by selling Interest Rate Swaps (IRSwaps).
Not (necessarily) a conspiracy theory: :lol:
This apparent collusion suggests to some observers that the reason the Wall Street banksters have not been prosecuted for their crimes is that they are an essential part of the Federal Reserve’s policy to preserve the US dollar as world currency. Possibly the collusion between the Federal Reserve and the banks is organized, but it doesn’t have to be. The banks are beneficiaries of the Fed’s zero interest rate policy. It is in the banks’ interest to support it. Organized collusion is not required.
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby Timo » Fri 08 Jun 2012, 08:48:17

Not sure how this fits in with the overall discussion, but it does relate to the euro and the dollar. My wife got a call this morning letting her know that the price of a Eurail Pass dropped by $50 last night. Price drops of that size aren't terribly common (i don't think), which only leads me to believe that the EU (or who ever runs the Eurail system) is getting pretty desperate for new, outside cash. I could be wrong about all that, though, since i don't live there. If anyone else knows anything more specifically, feel free to set the record straight. But, based on what little i know and only on what a read, it's easy to see this as the start, or the continuation of a downard spiral.

Fear and pessimism are the easiest human emotions to extrapolate into dangerous, erroneous territory. Not good.
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby mattduke » Fri 22 Jun 2012, 18:22:54

China and Brazil in $30bn currency swap agreement
Another dollar-dropping agreement.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18545978
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby mattduke » Tue 26 Jun 2012, 21:30:17

Hot on the tails of the China Brazil dollar drop agreement arrives the China Chile dollar drop agreement.

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China and Chile agreed Tuesday to upgrade their bilateral ties to a strategic partnership, and double trade in three years.

Wen suggested that the two sides launch currency swaps and expand settlement in China's renminbi.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china ... 334167.htm
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby mattduke » Mon 03 Sep 2012, 10:32:30

Fed is moving towards limitless open ended bond buying.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-0 ... nanke.html
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby careinke » Mon 03 Sep 2012, 11:06:02

mattduke wrote:Fed is moving towards limitless open ended bond buying.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-0 ... nanke.html


Great idea, then they don't have to have all those pesky meetings to decide how to sell their moves to the public. This way, they just have to make one announcement, then crawl back into the darkness to continue their voodoo.
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby mattduke » Thu 13 Sep 2012, 20:28:59

Fed announces unlimited QE3. The beatings will continue until morale improves. Gold and silver explode. And treasuries sell off despite it all, because getting paid back in watered down dollars is the same as default.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-1 ... month.html
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 17 Sep 2012, 10:14:29

QE3 aka PowerDown.

What exactly does commodity inflation without wage inflation do?
Food pct of income - UP
Fuel pct of income - UP

Remaining discretionary? (aka Economic Growth) - DOWN.

Who does this hurt most? Savers, small businesses, elderly with retirement funds.
Who does it help most? Commodity and equity traders.

Cash/bond holdings are on the brink of being obliterated with regard to purchasing power. ZIRP prevents appropriate pricing.
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Re: THE Dollar Crash Thread pt 2

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 02 Dec 2014, 22:43:10

This thread's been quiet the past couple years, so I thought it might be a good time to bump it up. :lol:

Still awaiting that dollar crash!

Dollar index hits highest level since March 2009
The ICE U.S. Dollar Index reached its highest level since March 2009 Tuesday as global economic data highlighted the increasing disparity between growth in the U.S. and elsewhere.

The dollar Index a measure of the greenback’s strength against a basket of six currencies, was up 0.76% to 88.6150.

The largest driver of the index’s gains was the euro, which hit a 28-month low against the dollar as investors sold the shared currency ahead of Thursday’s meeting of the European Central Bank’s Governing Council.

It traded at $1.2360, compared to $1.2475 Monday.

Win Thin, head of emerging-market currency strategy at Brown Brothers Harriman & Co., said the dollar’s broad rally Tuesday is a sign that the trend that began over the summer remains intact, despite some consolidation seen over the past few sessions.

The dollar hit a fresh record high against the ruble Tuesday after Russia’s economy ministry warned the country will slip into recession in 2015, and that the ruble will likely remain weak. West Texas Intermediate crude oil remained below $70 a barrel, which also weighed on the ruble.
Stuff for doomers to contemplate:
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1190117.html#p1190117
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1193930.html#p1193930
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1206767.html#p1206767
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