LENR, Rossi and the ECAT Thread pt 2 (merged)

[vision-master]

Mixing valves my friend, just like what commerical applications use........

Doms HOT water should NOT be over 110 F...... @ -20 F building heating water will most likely be around 180 F.

[Rune]

ORBO anyone?
Cars that run on water?

BlackLight Power has been going to demonstrate their Hydrino based energy system ... any ... day ... now since 1991 with a perfect record of delivering absolutely nothing while sucking down about $100M in investor money.

There is NO comparison between Steorn or "cars running on water" and whatnot because of the sheer magnitude of heavy interest by top universities, well-respected physicists, the military, NASA, DARPA, some dozen or more LENR companies in various stages of commercialization, a dozen or so competing theories attempting to fully explain the excess heat phenomenon, etc., etc.

There NEVER was this much impressive support for any other "free" energy device. And LENR is NOT a "free" energy science. It utilizes hydrogen or deuterium-loaded palladium or nickel to elicit a poorly-understood quantum effect. The compairson to Steorn is ridiculous.

Anyone wanting an introduction or a refresher on the enormity of interest worldwide in LENR science can look at this newly created slideshow:

LENR Education — Slideshow by Tyler van Houwelingen

Are you so dim that you need a Walmart E-Cat in order to perceive that there is something truly game-changing in the offing? Sounds like it.

That's like saying you would not be able to recognize the picture in a jigsaw puzzle if even a single piece were missing. I'm pretty much convinced that you would not be able to.

[dave333]

rumor about what might come out ICCF 17, Korea, 12-17 august?
http://lenrnews.eu/?p=271

[Rune]

rumor about what might come out ICCF 17, Korea, 12-17 august?
http://lenrnews.eu/?p=271

Almost everyone in the above is expected to have VERY interesting things to say. There are only a couple of names there that I am not familiar with, (Forsely and Meulenberg).

The rumor is that Defkalion will make a very important announcement about its Hyperion products. But no guarantees because this story we are following is full of surprises and disappointments. For example, Defkalion announced recently that it will have to leave Greece due to that country's horrible economic condition. Will this cause a delay? I don't know.

So it's no good to look at just one actor in the drama (like only looking at Rossi, or only looking at Defkalion). You pay attention to the whole picture and what ALL the scientists, researchers and LENR companies are saying about the overall subject. For me, this is what makes this story so compelling. I don't need Walmart-certainty to see that where there is so much smoke, there must be a raging fire somewhere.

Just look at the caliber of the scientists involved and the frequency of these worldwide conferences as well as the more local university-sponsored seminars like the one that was just held at The College of William & Mary or the several that have taken place at MIT. I think 4-5 universities now have LENR-dedicated programs that are well-funded and doing basic research - like the University of Missouri's research program headed by Dr. Robert Duncan.

So, I'll be like a little kid in a candy store when the news emerges from ICCF-17. I'll take the good news with the bad, unflinchingly. Hopefully a few more pieces of the jigsaw puzzle will be put into place. I wouldn't put out of the realm of possibility that something earth-shattering comes out of it.

[EnergyUnlimited]

The rumor is that Defkalion will make a very important announcement about its Hyperion products. But no guarantees because this story we are following is full of surprises and disappointments. For example, Defkalion announced recently that it will have to leave Greece due to that country's horrible economic condition. Will this cause a delay? I don't know.

I do know.
It will cause delay and give time to make more empty promises to capture moron-type of investors and milk them off money.

So it's no good to look at just one actor in the drama (like only looking at Rossi, or only looking at Defkalion). You pay attention to the whole picture and what ALL the scientists, researchers and LENR companies are saying about the overall subject. For me, this is what makes this story so compelling. I don't need Walmart-certainty to see that where there is so much smoke, there must be a raging fire somewhere.

It is sad that more and more scientists are making empty promises (to secure grants) very much like economists do (to secure bailout funds for their cronies).

Just look at the caliber of the scientists involved and the frequency of these worldwide conferences as well as the more local university-sponsored seminars like the one that was just held at The College of William & Mary or the several that have taken place at MIT. I think 4-5 universities now have LENR-dedicated programs that are well-funded and doing basic research - like the University of Missouri's research program headed by Dr. Robert Duncan.

It seems that domain of useful is getting exhausted, so more and more scientists are talking about fairy tales to be above of crowd.
Others are abandoning experimentally verifiable research and devoting themselves to mathematical onanism, eg theories which can never possibly be tested.
Such a sad end of scientific endeavour.

I wouldn't put out of the realm of possibility that something earth-shattering comes out of it.

There is also a *very* slight chance for mouse to be spontaneously teleported on the surface of Sun, survive there a given period of time and end up spontaneously teleported back on Earth unharmed.
A bloke standing next to detonating atomic warhead also enjoys a *very* slight chance of survival.
This is a realm of non-zero probabilities.

[Rune]

... Almost everyone in the above is expected to have VERY interesting things to say. There are only a couple of names there that I am not familiar with, (Forsely and Meulenberg).

The rumor is that Defkalion will make a very important announcement about its Hyperion products. But no guarantees because this story we are following is full of surprises and disappointments. For example, Defkalion announced recently that it will have to leave Greece due to that country's horrible economic condition. Will this cause a delay? I don't know.

So it's no good to look at just one actor in the drama (like only looking at Rossi, or only looking at Defkalion). You pay attention to the whole picture and what ALL the scientists, researchers and LENR companies are saying about the overall subject. For me, this is what makes this story so compelling. I don't need Walmart-certainty to see that where there is so much smoke, there must be a raging fire somewhere.

Just look at the caliber of the scientists involved and the frequency of these worldwide conferences as well as the more local university-sponsored seminars like the one that was just held at The College of William & Mary or the several that have taken place at MIT. I think 4-5 universities now have LENR-dedicated programs that are well-funded and doing basic research - like the University of Missouri's research program headed by Dr. Robert Duncan.

So, I'll be like a little kid in a candy store when the news emerges from ICCF-17. I'll take the good news with the bad, unflinchingly. Hopefully a few more pieces of the jigsaw puzzle will be put into place. I wouldn't put out of the realm of possibility that something earth-shattering comes out of it.

[Rune]

Rossi’s E-Cat Technology to be Presented in Zurich, Switzerland on September 8-9

I have just received an email from Andrea Rossi who confirmed to me that the report posted on the blog of Dr. Myron Evans which reports that his technology will be presented at a Zurich Conference in September is correct.

The exact content of my email exchange are below:

Frank Acland: A link has shown up in the internet today which mentions a conference in Zurich in September where your technology will be presented.

http://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/ ... tion-lenr/

Can you confirm — and if so, may I publish any information about this event?
Andrea Rossi: Perfect, go ahead. You are very correct.
So it’s time now for more research! I will update here as I learn more.

UPDATE: Many thanks to Adolf Schneider, E-Cat licensee for Switzerland for providing this information.

The conference where information about the E-Cat will be presented is entitled “Energy Change with E-Cat Technology” and will be held on September 8-9, at the Technopark Zurich, Technoparkstr. 1, CH 8005 Zurich, Auditorium

The Conference will be hosted by TransAltec Inc., E-Cat Germany and E-Cat Switzerland. Full details can be found at this link: http://www.borderlands.de/Links/Kongress080912E-e.pdf .

Among the presenters will be E-Cat licensees from European regions, and Andrea Rossi.

Energy Change with E-Cat Technology
Revolutionary environment friendly energy systems

Congress from Saturday, September 8th, till Sunday September 9th 2012
Technopark Zurich, Technoparkstr. 1, CH 8005 Zurich, Auditorium
http://www.technopark.ch/start.cfm?p=90&s=0
Organisation: TransAltec Inc., E-Cat Germany and E-Cat Switzerland

Saturday, September 8th, 2012

2.00 pm Welcome address and Overview, Adolf and Inge Schneider, TransAltec Inc., Zurich/CH

2.15 pm E-Cat Technology for Industrial and Home Applications
The alternative way to a sustainable and pollution free Energy
Adolf Schneider, Dipl.-Ing., CEO/POB TransAltec Inc., Zurich/CH

3.15 pm Theory and Practice of Cold Fusion
Energy conversion via Weak Interaction processes
Dr. sc.nat. Hans Weber, Dipl.-Physicist, London/GB and Zug/CH

5.00 pm Profitability of 1-MW E-Cat Plants for Heat Generating
Central heating for small residental complexes, hotels, enterprises, supermarkets e.g.
Hartmut Dobler, CEO Dobler Heiztechnik, Weinstadt/GE

5.45 pmr Advantages of 1-MW-E-Cat-Plants for Process Heat Generation
Application Possibilities of E-Cat plants for big and small sized industrial units
Klaus Rauber, Dipl.-Ing., Zell a.H./GE

8.00 pm Development and Future Aspects of E-Cat Technology
Overview to the environmental friendly Nickel-Hdrogen technology
Andrea Rossi, CEO Leonardo Corporation Inc., Miami/USA and Bologna/IT

Sunday, September 9th, 2012
10.00 am Strategies and Concepts of Licensees in Europe
Web presentation and introduction of E-Cat in the markets of Scandinavia
Magnus Holm, CEO Hydrofusion, Great Britain and Sveden

Chances for new energy technologies in Italy and Austria
Aldo Proia, Direttore commerciale di Prometeon srl, Bologna/IT (requested)

Potential markets in Germany, Switzerland and Liechtenstein
Adolf Schneider, Dipl.-Ing. TransAltec Inc./Vetropa Inc., CH/LI, and others

2.00 am Innovative Concepts for the Conversion of Heat into Electricity
High efficient method for electrical power production via low temperature heat with demo
Dr. sc.nat. Hans Weber, London/GB and Zug/CH

3.00 am Alternative Primary Energy Ressources for Heat and Electrical Power
Forecasts to the development of the energy markets with cold fusion technologies
Dr.rer.oec. Daniel Kellenberger, QM systems, Nürendorf/CH and Berlin/GE

4.30 am Panel Discussion with Andrea Rossi and other Speakers
Moderation: Dr.rer.oec. Daniel Kellenberger

5.30 am Closing Adress
Registration and Congress Organisation
TransAltec Inc.
POB 1111, CH 8032 Zurich,
info@transaltec.ch , http://www.transaltec.ch
Phone +41 44 252 7734, Fax +41 44 252 77 36

...and the momentum keeps on building.

Sure is one hell of a scam, huh? Does anyone still believe that nonsense?

[dinopello]

Is that the same Adolf und Inge Schneider that wrote

Countdowm Apokalypse in 1995 ? Now they're batting for the other team !

[diemos]

Rossi’s E-Cat Technology to be Presented in Zurich, Switzerland on September 8-9

Wow. Rossi is going to be selling his units at the seminar in Zurich?

Oh wait. No he's not.

He's going to be charging people 300 euros to spend two days listening to him tell them how great things will be as soon as he has an actual gizmo for sale. Which will be, I assure you,

Any ... day ... now.

...and the momentum keeps on building.

Sure is one hell of a scam, huh? Does anyone still believe that nonsense?

Charging people to listen to a lot of blah, blah about a gizmo that doesn't exist. Sounds like a great scam to me.

Maybe next he can run a seminar down at the airport holiday inn to let people know how they can make a fortune in real estate with no money down.

Oh wait ... that's Kiyosaki's scam.

Maybe he can run a seminar where he has people walk over hot coals to unleash their inner potential!

Oh wait ... that's Tony Robbin's scam.

Dammit! All the good scams are taken. I guess he'll just have to stick with LENR.

[Keith_McClary]

5.00 pm Profitability of 1-MW E-Cat Plants for Heat Generating
Central heating for small residental complexes, hotels, enterprises, supermarkets e.g.
Hartmut Dobler, CEO Dobler Heiztechnik, Weinstadt/GE

If Herr Dobler actually owns a 1-MW E-Cat I will be impressed. Keep us informed Rune.

[diemos]

And the time is soon.

Yup.

Any ... day ... now.

[Ferretlover]

Off topic and down right rude posts deleted.
I am locking this topic for one week for everyone to cool down. Other steps have been taken.

[autonomous]

In my scientific opinion, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I find a distinct absence of the latter. So let me be very clear here. While I personally find sufficient demonstration that LENR effects warrant further investigation, I remain skeptical. Furthermore, I am unaware of any clear and convincing demonstrations of any viable commercial device producing useful amounts of net energy.

What would take this to the next level (extraordinary evidence) would be to have the test be an open public test. The nature of the test and specific approach to executing the test should be made public. The conduct of the test should be open to additional 3rd party experts. And finally, the data should be publicly released. Further peer review of all aspects of the independent test is a must. Community consensus is the ultimate goal. Every attempted demonstration of a LENR device that I am aware of has failed to meet one or more of these criteria.

Last Wednesday, with a minimum of fuss, NASA’s Glenn Research Center released a video on their Web site that discussed the organization’s LENR research. The video is titled, rather abstrusely, “Method for Enhancement of Surface Plasmon Polaritons to Initiate & Sustain LENR in MHS (Metal Hydride Systems)” and features a NASA scientist, one Dr. Joseph Zawodny:

http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.html

[dinopello]

Francesco Celani showing that not only does he have a gizmo, but actual plots of stuff.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Francesco Celani showing that not only does he have a gizmo, but actual plots of stuff.

Science on youtube is rather unconvincing.
I could make a better show.

[dinopello]

LENR is bunkum, always was always will be. Is that on topic?

I've been trying to hold the fort by posting a relevant video from NIWeek. I think the believable part of this so far is the Anomalous Heat (effect). I believe that some of these guys see a little heat they can't account for. Most likely it is experimental error or measurement error and so far, no independent party cares enough to try and explain it. There is some hype and some belief going on here and as such it can impact things.

It reminds me a lot of the 70's and the intense interest in "Remote Viewing". Google it. The US Government spent a fair amount of time and money and there were many reports of unexplained things. As far as I know, there are still some interested in it but no real scientific result.

[SeaGypsy]

I can't be bothered finding a picture of Carl's fist and your head.

I know why he's on the bandwagon, because the idea appeals to him.
Who wouldn't like an alternative to our current energy sources?
The fact that some real scientists may have found some spare energy in this system, perhaps almost enough to create a micro spark, does nothing to solve our energy problem.

The reason I chime in here in the negative, unlike most on the reality side who can't be bothered at all with it, is I despise people like Andrea Rossi. Despise being in this case the most mild term I can think of. I have no idea how the man is not in prison for fraud already from his petro dragon scam, or how he is able to get a visa for the USA. Carl knew all the dirt on Rossi before he started hyping his non product, but continued to hype him anyway. The whole thing stinks worse than rotten eggs.

[SeaGypsy]

The fist/ head comment was in response to a deleted comment of VM/ not you Dino! Edit function is disabled for some reason.

[vision-master]

I see the knowledge filters are at work........... Keep em dumb, eh SG.

[SeaGypsy]

I don't unnecessarily use quote. You are the gutless wonder putting up provocative posts then deleting them. If you were 8 years old VM, I might say "Oh You are Soooo Clever" pretending to mean it. In fact, I am joining the majority here who feel for you like their poor stoner cousin who is lucky enough to not know he is in the early stages of Alzheimers.